Did Lord Vishnu spoke in support of birth-based or conduct-based varna?

Are there any instances of Lord Vishnu or any of his avatars speaking in favour of either conduct-based or birth-based varna?

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I hope you don't mind me changing the term "guna" as "conduct". Because supporters of birth based varna say guna is involved in deriding one's varna too.

– Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
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@Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury all right

– Ajay Varma
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@Surya Kanta Bose Deriding? Did you mean deciding or degrading? According to birth-based varna supporters if a person is of good guna does he attain a higher varna in his/her current birth?

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Are there any instances of Lord Vishnu or any of his avatars speaking in favour of either conduct-based or birth-based varna?

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asked 2 hours ago

Ajay Varma

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I hope you don't mind me changing the term "guna" as "conduct". Because supporters of birth based varna say guna is involved in deriding one's varna too.

– Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
2 hours ago

@Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury all right

– Ajay Varma
2 hours ago

@Surya Kanta Bose Deriding? Did you mean deciding or degrading? According to birth-based varna supporters if a person is of good guna does he attain a higher varna in his/her current birth?

– Ajay Varma
27 mins ago

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Are there any instances of Lord Vishnu or any of his avatars speaking in favour of either conduct-based or birth-based varna?

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Ajay Varma

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Are there any instances of Lord Vishnu or any of his avatars speaking in favour of either conduct-based or birth-based varna?

vishnu caste-system varna

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Ajay Varma

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Ajay Varma

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Ajay Varma

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asked 2 hours ago

Ajay Varma

1336

I hope you don't mind me changing the term "guna" as "conduct". Because supporters of birth based varna say guna is involved in deriding one's varna too.

– Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
2 hours ago

@Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury all right

– Ajay Varma
2 hours ago

@Surya Kanta Bose Deriding? Did you mean deciding or degrading? According to birth-based varna supporters if a person is of good guna does he attain a higher varna in his/her current birth?

– Ajay Varma
27 mins ago

add a comment |

I hope you don't mind me changing the term "guna" as "conduct". Because supporters of birth based varna say guna is involved in deriding one's varna too.

– Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
2 hours ago

@Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury all right

– Ajay Varma
2 hours ago

@Surya Kanta Bose Deriding? Did you mean deciding or degrading? According to birth-based varna supporters if a person is of good guna does he attain a higher varna in his/her current birth?

– Ajay Varma
27 mins ago

I hope you don't mind me changing the term "guna" as "conduct". Because supporters of birth based varna say guna is involved in deriding one's varna too.

– Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
2 hours ago

@Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury all right

– Ajay Varma
2 hours ago

@Surya Kanta Bose Deriding? Did you mean deciding or degrading? According to birth-based varna supporters if a person is of good guna does he attain a higher varna in his/her current birth?

– Ajay Varma
27 mins ago

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Lord Vishnu in the form of Krishna says in the Bhagavad-Gita:

मां हि पार्थ ब्यापाश्रित्य येऽपि स्युः पापयोनयः।स्त्रियो वैश्यास्तथा शूद्रासतेऽपि यान्ति परां गतिम्॥

English Translation: For finding refuge in Me, O Arjuna, even those who maybe of sinful birth, women, Vaishyas and similarly Shudras, even they reach the Supreme goal. (Bhagavad-Gita 9.32).

I think the very word paapyoni makes it clear that He accepts the birth-based varna system. Also, He did not protest at all when Arjuna spoke ill words about the Varnasankaras.

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Good answer. And Krishna also did not protest at all when Duryodhana called Vidura a Shudra in front of Krishna.

– Ikshvaku
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Yes, @ikshvaku,mthanks

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Yes, according to the Vishnu Smriti:

Viṣṇu (16.1).—‘On women equal in caste to their husbands, sons are
begotten who are equal in caste to their fathers.’

answered 12 mins ago

Ikshvaku

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Are you sure Vishnu-smriti was composed by Lord Vishnu? I think it was written by some sage named Vishnu.

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Lord Vishnu in the form of Krishna says in the Bhagavad-Gita:

मां हि पार्थ ब्यापाश्रित्य येऽपि स्युः पापयोनयः।स्त्रियो वैश्यास्तथा शूद्रासतेऽपि यान्ति परां गतिम्॥

English Translation: For finding refuge in Me, O Arjuna, even those who maybe of sinful birth, women, Vaishyas and similarly Shudras, even they reach the Supreme goal. (Bhagavad-Gita 9.32).

I think the very word paapyoni makes it clear that He accepts the birth-based varna system. Also, He did not protest at all when Arjuna spoke ill words about the Varnasankaras.

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Good answer. And Krishna also did not protest at all when Duryodhana called Vidura a Shudra in front of Krishna.

– Ikshvaku
6 mins ago

Yes, @ikshvaku,mthanks

– Partha Banerjee
2 mins ago

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Lord Vishnu in the form of Krishna says in the Bhagavad-Gita:

मां हि पार्थ ब्यापाश्रित्य येऽपि स्युः पापयोनयः।स्त्रियो वैश्यास्तथा शूद्रासतेऽपि यान्ति परां गतिम्॥

English Translation: For finding refuge in Me, O Arjuna, even those who maybe of sinful birth, women, Vaishyas and similarly Shudras, even they reach the Supreme goal. (Bhagavad-Gita 9.32).

I think the very word paapyoni makes it clear that He accepts the birth-based varna system. Also, He did not protest at all when Arjuna spoke ill words about the Varnasankaras.

edited 1 hour ago

Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury

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answered 2 hours ago

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Good answer. And Krishna also did not protest at all when Duryodhana called Vidura a Shudra in front of Krishna.

– Ikshvaku
6 mins ago

Yes, @ikshvaku,mthanks

– Partha Banerjee
2 mins ago

add a comment |

Lord Vishnu in the form of Krishna says in the Bhagavad-Gita:

मां हि पार्थ ब्यापाश्रित्य येऽपि स्युः पापयोनयः।स्त्रियो वैश्यास्तथा शूद्रासतेऽपि यान्ति परां गतिम्॥

English Translation: For finding refuge in Me, O Arjuna, even those who maybe of sinful birth, women, Vaishyas and similarly Shudras, even they reach the Supreme goal. (Bhagavad-Gita 9.32).

I think the very word paapyoni makes it clear that He accepts the birth-based varna system. Also, He did not protest at all when Arjuna spoke ill words about the Varnasankaras.

edited 1 hour ago

Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury

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answered 2 hours ago

Partha Banerjee

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Lord Vishnu in the form of Krishna says in the Bhagavad-Gita:

मां हि पार्थ ब्यापाश्रित्य येऽपि स्युः पापयोनयः।स्त्रियो वैश्यास्तथा शूद्रासतेऽपि यान्ति परां गतिम्॥

English Translation: For finding refuge in Me, O Arjuna, even those who maybe of sinful birth, women, Vaishyas and similarly Shudras, even they reach the Supreme goal. (Bhagavad-Gita 9.32).

I think the very word paapyoni makes it clear that He accepts the birth-based varna system. Also, He did not protest at all when Arjuna spoke ill words about the Varnasankaras.

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Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury

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answered 2 hours ago

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Good answer. And Krishna also did not protest at all when Duryodhana called Vidura a Shudra in front of Krishna.

– Ikshvaku
6 mins ago

Yes, @ikshvaku,mthanks

– Partha Banerjee
2 mins ago

add a comment |

Good answer. And Krishna also did not protest at all when Duryodhana called Vidura a Shudra in front of Krishna.

– Ikshvaku
6 mins ago

Yes, @ikshvaku,mthanks

– Partha Banerjee
2 mins ago

Good answer. And Krishna also did not protest at all when Duryodhana called Vidura a Shudra in front of Krishna.

– Ikshvaku
6 mins ago

Yes, @ikshvaku,mthanks

– Partha Banerjee
2 mins ago

add a comment |

Yes, according to the Vishnu Smriti:

Viṣṇu (16.1).—‘On women equal in caste to their husbands, sons are
begotten who are equal in caste to their fathers.’

answered 12 mins ago

Ikshvaku

3,323429

Are you sure Vishnu-smriti was composed by Lord Vishnu? I think it was written by some sage named Vishnu.

– Partha Banerjee
48 secs ago

add a comment |

Yes, according to the Vishnu Smriti:

Viṣṇu (16.1).—‘On women equal in caste to their husbands, sons are
begotten who are equal in caste to their fathers.’

answered 12 mins ago

Ikshvaku

3,323429

Are you sure Vishnu-smriti was composed by Lord Vishnu? I think it was written by some sage named Vishnu.

– Partha Banerjee
48 secs ago

add a comment |

Yes, according to the Vishnu Smriti:

Viṣṇu (16.1).—‘On women equal in caste to their husbands, sons are
begotten who are equal in caste to their fathers.’

answered 12 mins ago

Ikshvaku

3,323429

Yes, according to the Vishnu Smriti:

Viṣṇu (16.1).—‘On women equal in caste to their husbands, sons are
begotten who are equal in caste to their fathers.’

answered 12 mins ago

Ikshvaku

3,323429

answered 12 mins ago

Ikshvaku

3,323429

answered 12 mins ago

Ikshvaku

3,323429

answered 12 mins ago

Ikshvaku

3,323429

Are you sure Vishnu-smriti was composed by Lord Vishnu? I think it was written by some sage named Vishnu.

– Partha Banerjee
48 secs ago

add a comment |

Are you sure Vishnu-smriti was composed by Lord Vishnu? I think it was written by some sage named Vishnu.

– Partha Banerjee
48 secs ago

Are you sure Vishnu-smriti was composed by Lord Vishnu? I think it was written by some sage named Vishnu.

– Partha Banerjee
48 secs ago

add a comment |

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