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Are there any instances of Lord Vishnu or any of his avatars speaking in favour of either conduct-based or birth-based varna?






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  • I hope you don't mind me changing the term "guna" as "conduct". Because supporters of birth based varna say guna is involved in deriding one's varna too.

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  • @Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury all right

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  • @Surya Kanta Bose Deriding? Did you mean deciding or degrading? According to birth-based varna supporters if a person is of good guna does he attain a higher varna in his/her current birth?

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Are there any instances of Lord Vishnu or any of his avatars speaking in favour of either conduct-based or birth-based varna?






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  • I hope you don't mind me changing the term "guna" as "conduct". Because supporters of birth based varna say guna is involved in deriding one's varna too.

    – Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
    2 hours ago













  • @Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury all right

    – Ajay Varma
    2 hours ago











  • @Surya Kanta Bose Deriding? Did you mean deciding or degrading? According to birth-based varna supporters if a person is of good guna does he attain a higher varna in his/her current birth?

    – Ajay Varma
    27 mins ago














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Are there any instances of Lord Vishnu or any of his avatars speaking in favour of either conduct-based or birth-based varna?






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Are there any instances of Lord Vishnu or any of his avatars speaking in favour of either conduct-based or birth-based varna?






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  • I hope you don't mind me changing the term "guna" as "conduct". Because supporters of birth based varna say guna is involved in deriding one's varna too.

    – Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
    2 hours ago













  • @Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury all right

    – Ajay Varma
    2 hours ago











  • @Surya Kanta Bose Deriding? Did you mean deciding or degrading? According to birth-based varna supporters if a person is of good guna does he attain a higher varna in his/her current birth?

    – Ajay Varma
    27 mins ago



















  • I hope you don't mind me changing the term "guna" as "conduct". Because supporters of birth based varna say guna is involved in deriding one's varna too.

    – Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
    2 hours ago













  • @Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury all right

    – Ajay Varma
    2 hours ago











  • @Surya Kanta Bose Deriding? Did you mean deciding or degrading? According to birth-based varna supporters if a person is of good guna does he attain a higher varna in his/her current birth?

    – Ajay Varma
    27 mins ago

















I hope you don't mind me changing the term "guna" as "conduct". Because supporters of birth based varna say guna is involved in deriding one's varna too.

– Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
2 hours ago







I hope you don't mind me changing the term "guna" as "conduct". Because supporters of birth based varna say guna is involved in deriding one's varna too.

– Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury
2 hours ago















@Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury all right

– Ajay Varma
2 hours ago





@Surya Kanta Bose Chowdhury all right

– Ajay Varma
2 hours ago













@Surya Kanta Bose Deriding? Did you mean deciding or degrading? According to birth-based varna supporters if a person is of good guna does he attain a higher varna in his/her current birth?

– Ajay Varma
27 mins ago





@Surya Kanta Bose Deriding? Did you mean deciding or degrading? According to birth-based varna supporters if a person is of good guna does he attain a higher varna in his/her current birth?

– Ajay Varma
27 mins ago










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Lord Vishnu in the form of Krishna says in the Bhagavad-Gita:




मां हि पार्थ ब्यापाश्रित्य येऽपि स्युः पापयोनयः।स्त्रियो वैश्यास्तथा शूद्रासतेऽपि यान्ति परां गतिम्॥



English Translation: For finding refuge in Me, O Arjuna, even those who maybe of sinful birth, women, Vaishyas and similarly Shudras, even they reach the Supreme goal. (Bhagavad-Gita 9.32).




I think the very word paapyoni makes it clear that He accepts the birth-based varna system. Also, He did not protest at all when Arjuna spoke ill words about the Varnasankaras.






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  • Good answer. And Krishna also did not protest at all when Duryodhana called Vidura a Shudra in front of Krishna.

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  • Yes, @ikshvaku,mthanks

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Yes, according to the Vishnu Smriti:




Viṣṇu (16.1).—‘On women equal in caste to their husbands, sons are
begotten who are equal in caste to their fathers.’







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Lord Vishnu in the form of Krishna says in the Bhagavad-Gita:




मां हि पार्थ ब्यापाश्रित्य येऽपि स्युः पापयोनयः।स्त्रियो वैश्यास्तथा शूद्रासतेऽपि यान्ति परां गतिम्॥



English Translation: For finding refuge in Me, O Arjuna, even those who maybe of sinful birth, women, Vaishyas and similarly Shudras, even they reach the Supreme goal. (Bhagavad-Gita 9.32).




I think the very word paapyoni makes it clear that He accepts the birth-based varna system. Also, He did not protest at all when Arjuna spoke ill words about the Varnasankaras.






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  • Good answer. And Krishna also did not protest at all when Duryodhana called Vidura a Shudra in front of Krishna.

    – Ikshvaku
    6 mins ago











  • Yes, @ikshvaku,mthanks

    – Partha Banerjee
    2 mins ago
















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Lord Vishnu in the form of Krishna says in the Bhagavad-Gita:




मां हि पार्थ ब्यापाश्रित्य येऽपि स्युः पापयोनयः।स्त्रियो वैश्यास्तथा शूद्रासतेऽपि यान्ति परां गतिम्॥



English Translation: For finding refuge in Me, O Arjuna, even those who maybe of sinful birth, women, Vaishyas and similarly Shudras, even they reach the Supreme goal. (Bhagavad-Gita 9.32).




I think the very word paapyoni makes it clear that He accepts the birth-based varna system. Also, He did not protest at all when Arjuna spoke ill words about the Varnasankaras.






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  • Good answer. And Krishna also did not protest at all when Duryodhana called Vidura a Shudra in front of Krishna.

    – Ikshvaku
    6 mins ago











  • Yes, @ikshvaku,mthanks

    – Partha Banerjee
    2 mins ago














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Lord Vishnu in the form of Krishna says in the Bhagavad-Gita:




मां हि पार्थ ब्यापाश्रित्य येऽपि स्युः पापयोनयः।स्त्रियो वैश्यास्तथा शूद्रासतेऽपि यान्ति परां गतिम्॥



English Translation: For finding refuge in Me, O Arjuna, even those who maybe of sinful birth, women, Vaishyas and similarly Shudras, even they reach the Supreme goal. (Bhagavad-Gita 9.32).




I think the very word paapyoni makes it clear that He accepts the birth-based varna system. Also, He did not protest at all when Arjuna spoke ill words about the Varnasankaras.






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Lord Vishnu in the form of Krishna says in the Bhagavad-Gita:




मां हि पार्थ ब्यापाश्रित्य येऽपि स्युः पापयोनयः।स्त्रियो वैश्यास्तथा शूद्रासतेऽपि यान्ति परां गतिम्॥



English Translation: For finding refuge in Me, O Arjuna, even those who maybe of sinful birth, women, Vaishyas and similarly Shudras, even they reach the Supreme goal. (Bhagavad-Gita 9.32).




I think the very word paapyoni makes it clear that He accepts the birth-based varna system. Also, He did not protest at all when Arjuna spoke ill words about the Varnasankaras.







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  • Good answer. And Krishna also did not protest at all when Duryodhana called Vidura a Shudra in front of Krishna.

    – Ikshvaku
    6 mins ago











  • Yes, @ikshvaku,mthanks

    – Partha Banerjee
    2 mins ago



















  • Good answer. And Krishna also did not protest at all when Duryodhana called Vidura a Shudra in front of Krishna.

    – Ikshvaku
    6 mins ago











  • Yes, @ikshvaku,mthanks

    – Partha Banerjee
    2 mins ago

















Good answer. And Krishna also did not protest at all when Duryodhana called Vidura a Shudra in front of Krishna.

– Ikshvaku
6 mins ago





Good answer. And Krishna also did not protest at all when Duryodhana called Vidura a Shudra in front of Krishna.

– Ikshvaku
6 mins ago













Yes, @ikshvaku,mthanks

– Partha Banerjee
2 mins ago





Yes, @ikshvaku,mthanks

– Partha Banerjee
2 mins ago











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Yes, according to the Vishnu Smriti:




Viṣṇu (16.1).—‘On women equal in caste to their husbands, sons are
begotten who are equal in caste to their fathers.’







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  • Are you sure Vishnu-smriti was composed by Lord Vishnu? I think it was written by some sage named Vishnu.

    – Partha Banerjee
    48 secs ago
















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Yes, according to the Vishnu Smriti:




Viṣṇu (16.1).—‘On women equal in caste to their husbands, sons are
begotten who are equal in caste to their fathers.’







share|improve this answer
























  • Are you sure Vishnu-smriti was composed by Lord Vishnu? I think it was written by some sage named Vishnu.

    – Partha Banerjee
    48 secs ago














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Yes, according to the Vishnu Smriti:




Viṣṇu (16.1).—‘On women equal in caste to their husbands, sons are
begotten who are equal in caste to their fathers.’







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Yes, according to the Vishnu Smriti:




Viṣṇu (16.1).—‘On women equal in caste to their husbands, sons are
begotten who are equal in caste to their fathers.’








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    – Partha Banerjee
    48 secs ago



















  • Are you sure Vishnu-smriti was composed by Lord Vishnu? I think it was written by some sage named Vishnu.

    – Partha Banerjee
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Are you sure Vishnu-smriti was composed by Lord Vishnu? I think it was written by some sage named Vishnu.

– Partha Banerjee
48 secs ago





Are you sure Vishnu-smriti was composed by Lord Vishnu? I think it was written by some sage named Vishnu.

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