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i know it's rude and pretentious and maybe stupid to ask such question but, i would like to know the reason why in geometry the area of a parallelogram follows this formula :



$ Base times Height $



and not this one :



$ Base times Side $



I saw this method which consists of transforming our figure into a rectangle by moving the black one to the right, and that seems logical to me, but why not adopt the second rule, all the horizontal points multiplied by the vertical ones ?



enter image description here



PS : I found the same Visualizing the Area of a Parallelogram, but was unconvinced by the answers






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i know it's rude and pretentious and maybe stupid to ask such question but, i would like to know the reason why in geometry the area of a parallelogram follows this formula :



$ Base times Height $



and not this one :



$ Base times Side $



I saw this method which consists of transforming our figure into a rectangle by moving the black one to the right, and that seems logical to me, but why not adopt the second rule, all the horizontal points multiplied by the vertical ones ?



enter image description here



PS : I found the same Visualizing the Area of a Parallelogram, but was unconvinced by the answers






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    Possible duplicate of Visualizing the Area of a Parallelogram
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    – kkc
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    @kkc, did you see the link ?
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i know it's rude and pretentious and maybe stupid to ask such question but, i would like to know the reason why in geometry the area of a parallelogram follows this formula :



$ Base times Height $



and not this one :



$ Base times Side $



I saw this method which consists of transforming our figure into a rectangle by moving the black one to the right, and that seems logical to me, but why not adopt the second rule, all the horizontal points multiplied by the vertical ones ?



enter image description here



PS : I found the same Visualizing the Area of a Parallelogram, but was unconvinced by the answers






geometry







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i know it's rude and pretentious and maybe stupid to ask such question but, i would like to know the reason why in geometry the area of a parallelogram follows this formula :



$ Base times Height $



and not this one :



$ Base times Side $



I saw this method which consists of transforming our figure into a rectangle by moving the black one to the right, and that seems logical to me, but why not adopt the second rule, all the horizontal points multiplied by the vertical ones ?



enter image description here



PS : I found the same Visualizing the Area of a Parallelogram, but was unconvinced by the answers






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    $begingroup$
    Possible duplicate of Visualizing the Area of a Parallelogram
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    – kkc
    6 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @kkc, did you see the link ?
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    – Bo Halim
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    $begingroup$
    Possible duplicate of Visualizing the Area of a Parallelogram
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    – kkc
    6 hours ago










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    @kkc, did you see the link ?
    $endgroup$
    – Bo Halim
    5 hours ago








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@kkc, did you see the link ?
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Sometimes a figure is worth 1000 words:



parallelogram



Very long base and very long side and very small area.



Or...



...each of these parallelograms has the same base and side, but manifestly different areas:



enter image description here






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    You can't "adopt the second rule" because it gives the wrong answer. The parallelogram in your picture has all four sides of length $5$, There are lots of parallelograms like that, depending on the angle between adjacent sides. The largest is a square. If you make the acute angle smaller and smaller you find parallelograms that are nearly on a line, with tiny areas. But your formula would say they all have area $25$.






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      As you point out, the first method is logical, as it uses a formula we already know to be true (the familiar area formula for a rectangle), and then transforms our figure without changing the area, so that we can apply the rule.



      To see why we can't simply multiply $5$ and $5$ to get the answer, draw the $5times 5$ square. Your parallelogram can't fill it by cut and paste. Alternatively, you can draw $25$ unit squares, and try to cut and paste them into the parallelogram. You'll only be able to make $20$ of them fit.






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        $begingroup$

        Sometimes a figure is worth 1000 words:



        parallelogram



        Very long base and very long side and very small area.



        Or...



        ...each of these parallelograms has the same base and side, but manifestly different areas:



        enter image description here






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          $begingroup$

          Sometimes a figure is worth 1000 words:



          parallelogram



          Very long base and very long side and very small area.



          Or...



          ...each of these parallelograms has the same base and side, but manifestly different areas:



          enter image description here






          share|cite|improve this answer











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            $begingroup$

            Sometimes a figure is worth 1000 words:



            parallelogram



            Very long base and very long side and very small area.



            Or...



            ...each of these parallelograms has the same base and side, but manifestly different areas:



            enter image description here






            share|cite|improve this answer











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            Sometimes a figure is worth 1000 words:



            parallelogram



            Very long base and very long side and very small area.



            Or...



            ...each of these parallelograms has the same base and side, but manifestly different areas:



            enter image description here







            share|cite|improve this answer














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                You can't "adopt the second rule" because it gives the wrong answer. The parallelogram in your picture has all four sides of length $5$, There are lots of parallelograms like that, depending on the angle between adjacent sides. The largest is a square. If you make the acute angle smaller and smaller you find parallelograms that are nearly on a line, with tiny areas. But your formula would say they all have area $25$.






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                  You can't "adopt the second rule" because it gives the wrong answer. The parallelogram in your picture has all four sides of length $5$, There are lots of parallelograms like that, depending on the angle between adjacent sides. The largest is a square. If you make the acute angle smaller and smaller you find parallelograms that are nearly on a line, with tiny areas. But your formula would say they all have area $25$.






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                    You can't "adopt the second rule" because it gives the wrong answer. The parallelogram in your picture has all four sides of length $5$, There are lots of parallelograms like that, depending on the angle between adjacent sides. The largest is a square. If you make the acute angle smaller and smaller you find parallelograms that are nearly on a line, with tiny areas. But your formula would say they all have area $25$.






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                    You can't "adopt the second rule" because it gives the wrong answer. The parallelogram in your picture has all four sides of length $5$, There are lots of parallelograms like that, depending on the angle between adjacent sides. The largest is a square. If you make the acute angle smaller and smaller you find parallelograms that are nearly on a line, with tiny areas. But your formula would say they all have area $25$.







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                        As you point out, the first method is logical, as it uses a formula we already know to be true (the familiar area formula for a rectangle), and then transforms our figure without changing the area, so that we can apply the rule.



                        To see why we can't simply multiply $5$ and $5$ to get the answer, draw the $5times 5$ square. Your parallelogram can't fill it by cut and paste. Alternatively, you can draw $25$ unit squares, and try to cut and paste them into the parallelogram. You'll only be able to make $20$ of them fit.






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                          As you point out, the first method is logical, as it uses a formula we already know to be true (the familiar area formula for a rectangle), and then transforms our figure without changing the area, so that we can apply the rule.



                          To see why we can't simply multiply $5$ and $5$ to get the answer, draw the $5times 5$ square. Your parallelogram can't fill it by cut and paste. Alternatively, you can draw $25$ unit squares, and try to cut and paste them into the parallelogram. You'll only be able to make $20$ of them fit.






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                            As you point out, the first method is logical, as it uses a formula we already know to be true (the familiar area formula for a rectangle), and then transforms our figure without changing the area, so that we can apply the rule.



                            To see why we can't simply multiply $5$ and $5$ to get the answer, draw the $5times 5$ square. Your parallelogram can't fill it by cut and paste. Alternatively, you can draw $25$ unit squares, and try to cut and paste them into the parallelogram. You'll only be able to make $20$ of them fit.






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                            As you point out, the first method is logical, as it uses a formula we already know to be true (the familiar area formula for a rectangle), and then transforms our figure without changing the area, so that we can apply the rule.



                            To see why we can't simply multiply $5$ and $5$ to get the answer, draw the $5times 5$ square. Your parallelogram can't fill it by cut and paste. Alternatively, you can draw $25$ unit squares, and try to cut and paste them into the parallelogram. You'll only be able to make $20$ of them fit.







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