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If the earth were to be flung out of the solar system, it would rapidly become far too cold for any unprotected life to survive on the surface, especially once the atmosphere began condensing and eventually freezing. Any remaining humans would have to live in pressurized domes. However, if the earth was ejected from the solar system on a shallow enough trajectory, it's possible that governments or groups could put together such domes before the temperature dropped too severely. However, such domes need to be kept heated, oxygen needs to be provided, and food needs to be grown for long-term survival. Therefore, I nominate Iceland as the candidate most likely to support a long-term surviving colony. The reason for this is Iceland's reliance on geothermal power, just about the only power source likely to remain viable over the long-term as the earth drifts away from the sun. According to Wikipidia, Iceland used 79.7PJ of geothermal power in 2004, which, if my math is right, gives them about 2.5GW. (If anyone manages to find more recent numbers, please comment and I'll add them).



Given these facts, how likely is it that Iceland could maintain a colony of this type indefinitely, and how large is the maximum colony size that could be maintained?










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    I would say New Earth Island (Novaya Zemlya) in the North of Russia fits better for long-term surviving colony.
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    This is an interesting question. How much of the Earth's hot, molten core is due to (a) its intrinsic creation, how much is due to (b) its rotation, and how much is due to (c) constant exposure to the Sun? If a+b>>c then so long as it continues to rotate as a rogue planet, geothermal energy could last a very long time. Getting authentic nachos might be a problem, though.
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Inspired by this question and my comment on one of the answers.



If the earth were to be flung out of the solar system, it would rapidly become far too cold for any unprotected life to survive on the surface, especially once the atmosphere began condensing and eventually freezing. Any remaining humans would have to live in pressurized domes. However, if the earth was ejected from the solar system on a shallow enough trajectory, it's possible that governments or groups could put together such domes before the temperature dropped too severely. However, such domes need to be kept heated, oxygen needs to be provided, and food needs to be grown for long-term survival. Therefore, I nominate Iceland as the candidate most likely to support a long-term surviving colony. The reason for this is Iceland's reliance on geothermal power, just about the only power source likely to remain viable over the long-term as the earth drifts away from the sun. According to Wikipidia, Iceland used 79.7PJ of geothermal power in 2004, which, if my math is right, gives them about 2.5GW. (If anyone manages to find more recent numbers, please comment and I'll add them).



Given these facts, how likely is it that Iceland could maintain a colony of this type indefinitely, and how large is the maximum colony size that could be maintained?










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    I would say New Earth Island (Novaya Zemlya) in the North of Russia fits better for long-term surviving colony.
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    This is an interesting question. How much of the Earth's hot, molten core is due to (a) its intrinsic creation, how much is due to (b) its rotation, and how much is due to (c) constant exposure to the Sun? If a+b>>c then so long as it continues to rotate as a rogue planet, geothermal energy could last a very long time. Getting authentic nachos might be a problem, though.
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    – JBH
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Inspired by this question and my comment on one of the answers.



If the earth were to be flung out of the solar system, it would rapidly become far too cold for any unprotected life to survive on the surface, especially once the atmosphere began condensing and eventually freezing. Any remaining humans would have to live in pressurized domes. However, if the earth was ejected from the solar system on a shallow enough trajectory, it's possible that governments or groups could put together such domes before the temperature dropped too severely. However, such domes need to be kept heated, oxygen needs to be provided, and food needs to be grown for long-term survival. Therefore, I nominate Iceland as the candidate most likely to support a long-term surviving colony. The reason for this is Iceland's reliance on geothermal power, just about the only power source likely to remain viable over the long-term as the earth drifts away from the sun. According to Wikipidia, Iceland used 79.7PJ of geothermal power in 2004, which, if my math is right, gives them about 2.5GW. (If anyone manages to find more recent numbers, please comment and I'll add them).



Given these facts, how likely is it that Iceland could maintain a colony of this type indefinitely, and how large is the maximum colony size that could be maintained?










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Inspired by this question and my comment on one of the answers.



If the earth were to be flung out of the solar system, it would rapidly become far too cold for any unprotected life to survive on the surface, especially once the atmosphere began condensing and eventually freezing. Any remaining humans would have to live in pressurized domes. However, if the earth was ejected from the solar system on a shallow enough trajectory, it's possible that governments or groups could put together such domes before the temperature dropped too severely. However, such domes need to be kept heated, oxygen needs to be provided, and food needs to be grown for long-term survival. Therefore, I nominate Iceland as the candidate most likely to support a long-term surviving colony. The reason for this is Iceland's reliance on geothermal power, just about the only power source likely to remain viable over the long-term as the earth drifts away from the sun. According to Wikipidia, Iceland used 79.7PJ of geothermal power in 2004, which, if my math is right, gives them about 2.5GW. (If anyone manages to find more recent numbers, please comment and I'll add them).



Given these facts, how likely is it that Iceland could maintain a colony of this type indefinitely, and how large is the maximum colony size that could be maintained?







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    I would say New Earth Island (Novaya Zemlya) in the North of Russia fits better for long-term surviving colony.
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    – PirrenCode
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    This is an interesting question. How much of the Earth's hot, molten core is due to (a) its intrinsic creation, how much is due to (b) its rotation, and how much is due to (c) constant exposure to the Sun? If a+b>>c then so long as it continues to rotate as a rogue planet, geothermal energy could last a very long time. Getting authentic nachos might be a problem, though.
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    I would say New Earth Island (Novaya Zemlya) in the North of Russia fits better for long-term surviving colony.
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    – PirrenCode
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    This is an interesting question. How much of the Earth's hot, molten core is due to (a) its intrinsic creation, how much is due to (b) its rotation, and how much is due to (c) constant exposure to the Sun? If a+b>>c then so long as it continues to rotate as a rogue planet, geothermal energy could last a very long time. Getting authentic nachos might be a problem, though.
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    – JBH
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I would say New Earth Island (Novaya Zemlya) in the North of Russia fits better for long-term surviving colony.
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– PirrenCode
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I would say New Earth Island (Novaya Zemlya) in the North of Russia fits better for long-term surviving colony.
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– PirrenCode
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This is an interesting question. How much of the Earth's hot, molten core is due to (a) its intrinsic creation, how much is due to (b) its rotation, and how much is due to (c) constant exposure to the Sun? If a+b>>c then so long as it continues to rotate as a rogue planet, geothermal energy could last a very long time. Getting authentic nachos might be a problem, though.
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This is an interesting question. How much of the Earth's hot, molten core is due to (a) its intrinsic creation, how much is due to (b) its rotation, and how much is due to (c) constant exposure to the Sun? If a+b>>c then so long as it continues to rotate as a rogue planet, geothermal energy could last a very long time. Getting authentic nachos might be a problem, though.
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Iceland can hold out indefinitely




  • It would take 2-3 months before the average temperature on the surface to be below zero (the reason for this is that the ocean has tremendous heat capacity, inland regions will fall much faster). That gives them a reasonable amount of time to prepare a living space. Iceland would have slightly more time due to the natural heating due to geothermal and their proximity to the ocean.

  • Due to it's molten core, the earth's surface will stabilize at an average temperature of -160 C on the surface. David Stevenson, Caltech professor of planetary science This is not cold enough for the atmosphere to condense, so the need for pressurized domes is incorrect.

  • It would take approximately two years to get down to this steady state temperature. And -160 C is not impossible for a human with appropriate equipment to survive and work on the surface.

  • The best option for the Icelanders is to tunnel beneath the surface to maximize the benefits of the geothermal heating (without having to turn it into electricity). That way, they can use the electricity they produce for cultivating crops.

  • As for how large this colony can be, it probably depends more on their digging speed (to produce adequate farmland area) than it does on actual energy constraints. Just because it produces that much geothermal energy doesn't mean that that is all the geothermal available to it as it expands.

  • Food stockpiles will obviously give them more time to increase their living spaces before they have to depend on their own farming to sustain them. Additionally if they have a submarine, then they will be able to operate limited fishing operations (and later mining for frozen fish), as the frozen surface of the ocean will insulate the water, keeping it liquid for many years.






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    Interesting answer! I think your point about the surface temperature is probably about right, though I'd like to see how you arrived at it. OTOH, I see zero chance for building underground accommodations to house and feed very many people in only two months. If everyone on Iceland cooperated to save a very few, and if the resulting hundreds of people (maybe a few thousand if they were fortunate) could survive after falling back to late 19th century level of technology, and if the next volcanic activity didn't destroy them, than maybe...
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    "It would take 2-3 months before the average temperature on the surface to be below zero" some deserts that are blisteringly hot during the day can fall to below zero overnight which would seem to contradict that?
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    @MarkOlson They don't have to finish in 2 months, that's just when it gets below freezing. Please see edited answer to address other timing concerns.
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    How long would it take for inland places to reach below -72C? A temperature used roughly as a "I'm not going out today" in the Yukon
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    @Mathaddict You said that it would take a couple of months for the average temperature to drop below freezing. I didn't question that because it was less important than the bigger point that heat from the interior would prevent "A Pail of Air" conditions for ever forming. But you overestimate the length of time needed to drop below freezing with no insolation at all. In any event, even a couple of months is far too short a time to bury a sustainable civilization.
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Given these facts, how likely is it that Iceland could maintain a
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Ok, given time to erect an airtight and thermaly insulated environment or series of them.



For sure heating is going to be your bigest problem as the outside temperatures approach single digits Kelvin, but we'll assume with "Perfect thermal insulation":



The energy requirements for lighting sufficient to provide plant growth for food and for Krebbs cycle for oxygen for one person comes out to about 10 Kw. (Figure extrapolated from Bios3 data, exchanging the xenon arc lamps for more efficient LEDs) For the non vegans, gastropods, fish, insects could be cultivated with a modest increase of that budget to say 15 Kw per person.



Doing the simple maths gives you the energy budget for 160,000 people.
The more energy used for recycling water, air circulation, creating materials for repair, and leaving a safety margin - 100,000 people is not unreasonable in a perfect (if artificial) world.






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    Iceland can hold out indefinitely




    • It would take 2-3 months before the average temperature on the surface to be below zero (the reason for this is that the ocean has tremendous heat capacity, inland regions will fall much faster). That gives them a reasonable amount of time to prepare a living space. Iceland would have slightly more time due to the natural heating due to geothermal and their proximity to the ocean.

    • Due to it's molten core, the earth's surface will stabilize at an average temperature of -160 C on the surface. David Stevenson, Caltech professor of planetary science This is not cold enough for the atmosphere to condense, so the need for pressurized domes is incorrect.

    • It would take approximately two years to get down to this steady state temperature. And -160 C is not impossible for a human with appropriate equipment to survive and work on the surface.

    • The best option for the Icelanders is to tunnel beneath the surface to maximize the benefits of the geothermal heating (without having to turn it into electricity). That way, they can use the electricity they produce for cultivating crops.

    • As for how large this colony can be, it probably depends more on their digging speed (to produce adequate farmland area) than it does on actual energy constraints. Just because it produces that much geothermal energy doesn't mean that that is all the geothermal available to it as it expands.

    • Food stockpiles will obviously give them more time to increase their living spaces before they have to depend on their own farming to sustain them. Additionally if they have a submarine, then they will be able to operate limited fishing operations (and later mining for frozen fish), as the frozen surface of the ocean will insulate the water, keeping it liquid for many years.






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      Interesting answer! I think your point about the surface temperature is probably about right, though I'd like to see how you arrived at it. OTOH, I see zero chance for building underground accommodations to house and feed very many people in only two months. If everyone on Iceland cooperated to save a very few, and if the resulting hundreds of people (maybe a few thousand if they were fortunate) could survive after falling back to late 19th century level of technology, and if the next volcanic activity didn't destroy them, than maybe...
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      "It would take 2-3 months before the average temperature on the surface to be below zero" some deserts that are blisteringly hot during the day can fall to below zero overnight which would seem to contradict that?
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      @MarkOlson They don't have to finish in 2 months, that's just when it gets below freezing. Please see edited answer to address other timing concerns.
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      How long would it take for inland places to reach below -72C? A temperature used roughly as a "I'm not going out today" in the Yukon
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      @Mathaddict You said that it would take a couple of months for the average temperature to drop below freezing. I didn't question that because it was less important than the bigger point that heat from the interior would prevent "A Pail of Air" conditions for ever forming. But you overestimate the length of time needed to drop below freezing with no insolation at all. In any event, even a couple of months is far too short a time to bury a sustainable civilization.
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    Iceland can hold out indefinitely




    • It would take 2-3 months before the average temperature on the surface to be below zero (the reason for this is that the ocean has tremendous heat capacity, inland regions will fall much faster). That gives them a reasonable amount of time to prepare a living space. Iceland would have slightly more time due to the natural heating due to geothermal and their proximity to the ocean.

    • Due to it's molten core, the earth's surface will stabilize at an average temperature of -160 C on the surface. David Stevenson, Caltech professor of planetary science This is not cold enough for the atmosphere to condense, so the need for pressurized domes is incorrect.

    • It would take approximately two years to get down to this steady state temperature. And -160 C is not impossible for a human with appropriate equipment to survive and work on the surface.

    • The best option for the Icelanders is to tunnel beneath the surface to maximize the benefits of the geothermal heating (without having to turn it into electricity). That way, they can use the electricity they produce for cultivating crops.

    • As for how large this colony can be, it probably depends more on their digging speed (to produce adequate farmland area) than it does on actual energy constraints. Just because it produces that much geothermal energy doesn't mean that that is all the geothermal available to it as it expands.

    • Food stockpiles will obviously give them more time to increase their living spaces before they have to depend on their own farming to sustain them. Additionally if they have a submarine, then they will be able to operate limited fishing operations (and later mining for frozen fish), as the frozen surface of the ocean will insulate the water, keeping it liquid for many years.






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      Interesting answer! I think your point about the surface temperature is probably about right, though I'd like to see how you arrived at it. OTOH, I see zero chance for building underground accommodations to house and feed very many people in only two months. If everyone on Iceland cooperated to save a very few, and if the resulting hundreds of people (maybe a few thousand if they were fortunate) could survive after falling back to late 19th century level of technology, and if the next volcanic activity didn't destroy them, than maybe...
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      – Mark Olson
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      "It would take 2-3 months before the average temperature on the surface to be below zero" some deserts that are blisteringly hot during the day can fall to below zero overnight which would seem to contradict that?
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      @MarkOlson They don't have to finish in 2 months, that's just when it gets below freezing. Please see edited answer to address other timing concerns.
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    • $begingroup$
      How long would it take for inland places to reach below -72C? A temperature used roughly as a "I'm not going out today" in the Yukon
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      – Trevor D
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      @Mathaddict You said that it would take a couple of months for the average temperature to drop below freezing. I didn't question that because it was less important than the bigger point that heat from the interior would prevent "A Pail of Air" conditions for ever forming. But you overestimate the length of time needed to drop below freezing with no insolation at all. In any event, even a couple of months is far too short a time to bury a sustainable civilization.
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    Iceland can hold out indefinitely




    • It would take 2-3 months before the average temperature on the surface to be below zero (the reason for this is that the ocean has tremendous heat capacity, inland regions will fall much faster). That gives them a reasonable amount of time to prepare a living space. Iceland would have slightly more time due to the natural heating due to geothermal and their proximity to the ocean.

    • Due to it's molten core, the earth's surface will stabilize at an average temperature of -160 C on the surface. David Stevenson, Caltech professor of planetary science This is not cold enough for the atmosphere to condense, so the need for pressurized domes is incorrect.

    • It would take approximately two years to get down to this steady state temperature. And -160 C is not impossible for a human with appropriate equipment to survive and work on the surface.

    • The best option for the Icelanders is to tunnel beneath the surface to maximize the benefits of the geothermal heating (without having to turn it into electricity). That way, they can use the electricity they produce for cultivating crops.

    • As for how large this colony can be, it probably depends more on their digging speed (to produce adequate farmland area) than it does on actual energy constraints. Just because it produces that much geothermal energy doesn't mean that that is all the geothermal available to it as it expands.

    • Food stockpiles will obviously give them more time to increase their living spaces before they have to depend on their own farming to sustain them. Additionally if they have a submarine, then they will be able to operate limited fishing operations (and later mining for frozen fish), as the frozen surface of the ocean will insulate the water, keeping it liquid for many years.






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    Iceland can hold out indefinitely




    • It would take 2-3 months before the average temperature on the surface to be below zero (the reason for this is that the ocean has tremendous heat capacity, inland regions will fall much faster). That gives them a reasonable amount of time to prepare a living space. Iceland would have slightly more time due to the natural heating due to geothermal and their proximity to the ocean.

    • Due to it's molten core, the earth's surface will stabilize at an average temperature of -160 C on the surface. David Stevenson, Caltech professor of planetary science This is not cold enough for the atmosphere to condense, so the need for pressurized domes is incorrect.

    • It would take approximately two years to get down to this steady state temperature. And -160 C is not impossible for a human with appropriate equipment to survive and work on the surface.

    • The best option for the Icelanders is to tunnel beneath the surface to maximize the benefits of the geothermal heating (without having to turn it into electricity). That way, they can use the electricity they produce for cultivating crops.

    • As for how large this colony can be, it probably depends more on their digging speed (to produce adequate farmland area) than it does on actual energy constraints. Just because it produces that much geothermal energy doesn't mean that that is all the geothermal available to it as it expands.

    • Food stockpiles will obviously give them more time to increase their living spaces before they have to depend on their own farming to sustain them. Additionally if they have a submarine, then they will be able to operate limited fishing operations (and later mining for frozen fish), as the frozen surface of the ocean will insulate the water, keeping it liquid for many years.







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      Interesting answer! I think your point about the surface temperature is probably about right, though I'd like to see how you arrived at it. OTOH, I see zero chance for building underground accommodations to house and feed very many people in only two months. If everyone on Iceland cooperated to save a very few, and if the resulting hundreds of people (maybe a few thousand if they were fortunate) could survive after falling back to late 19th century level of technology, and if the next volcanic activity didn't destroy them, than maybe...
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      – Mark Olson
      1 hour ago






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      "It would take 2-3 months before the average temperature on the surface to be below zero" some deserts that are blisteringly hot during the day can fall to below zero overnight which would seem to contradict that?
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      @MarkOlson They don't have to finish in 2 months, that's just when it gets below freezing. Please see edited answer to address other timing concerns.
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      How long would it take for inland places to reach below -72C? A temperature used roughly as a "I'm not going out today" in the Yukon
      $endgroup$
      – Trevor D
      31 mins ago










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      @Mathaddict You said that it would take a couple of months for the average temperature to drop below freezing. I didn't question that because it was less important than the bigger point that heat from the interior would prevent "A Pail of Air" conditions for ever forming. But you overestimate the length of time needed to drop below freezing with no insolation at all. In any event, even a couple of months is far too short a time to bury a sustainable civilization.
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    • $begingroup$
      Interesting answer! I think your point about the surface temperature is probably about right, though I'd like to see how you arrived at it. OTOH, I see zero chance for building underground accommodations to house and feed very many people in only two months. If everyone on Iceland cooperated to save a very few, and if the resulting hundreds of people (maybe a few thousand if they were fortunate) could survive after falling back to late 19th century level of technology, and if the next volcanic activity didn't destroy them, than maybe...
      $endgroup$
      – Mark Olson
      1 hour ago






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      "It would take 2-3 months before the average temperature on the surface to be below zero" some deserts that are blisteringly hot during the day can fall to below zero overnight which would seem to contradict that?
      $endgroup$
      – Pelinore
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    • $begingroup$
      @MarkOlson They don't have to finish in 2 months, that's just when it gets below freezing. Please see edited answer to address other timing concerns.
      $endgroup$
      – Mathaddict
      1 hour ago










    • $begingroup$
      How long would it take for inland places to reach below -72C? A temperature used roughly as a "I'm not going out today" in the Yukon
      $endgroup$
      – Trevor D
      31 mins ago










    • $begingroup$
      @Mathaddict You said that it would take a couple of months for the average temperature to drop below freezing. I didn't question that because it was less important than the bigger point that heat from the interior would prevent "A Pail of Air" conditions for ever forming. But you overestimate the length of time needed to drop below freezing with no insolation at all. In any event, even a couple of months is far too short a time to bury a sustainable civilization.
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    Interesting answer! I think your point about the surface temperature is probably about right, though I'd like to see how you arrived at it. OTOH, I see zero chance for building underground accommodations to house and feed very many people in only two months. If everyone on Iceland cooperated to save a very few, and if the resulting hundreds of people (maybe a few thousand if they were fortunate) could survive after falling back to late 19th century level of technology, and if the next volcanic activity didn't destroy them, than maybe...
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    Interesting answer! I think your point about the surface temperature is probably about right, though I'd like to see how you arrived at it. OTOH, I see zero chance for building underground accommodations to house and feed very many people in only two months. If everyone on Iceland cooperated to save a very few, and if the resulting hundreds of people (maybe a few thousand if they were fortunate) could survive after falling back to late 19th century level of technology, and if the next volcanic activity didn't destroy them, than maybe...
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    "It would take 2-3 months before the average temperature on the surface to be below zero" some deserts that are blisteringly hot during the day can fall to below zero overnight which would seem to contradict that?
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    "It would take 2-3 months before the average temperature on the surface to be below zero" some deserts that are blisteringly hot during the day can fall to below zero overnight which would seem to contradict that?
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    @MarkOlson They don't have to finish in 2 months, that's just when it gets below freezing. Please see edited answer to address other timing concerns.
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    @MarkOlson They don't have to finish in 2 months, that's just when it gets below freezing. Please see edited answer to address other timing concerns.
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    How long would it take for inland places to reach below -72C? A temperature used roughly as a "I'm not going out today" in the Yukon
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    How long would it take for inland places to reach below -72C? A temperature used roughly as a "I'm not going out today" in the Yukon
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    @Mathaddict You said that it would take a couple of months for the average temperature to drop below freezing. I didn't question that because it was less important than the bigger point that heat from the interior would prevent "A Pail of Air" conditions for ever forming. But you overestimate the length of time needed to drop below freezing with no insolation at all. In any event, even a couple of months is far too short a time to bury a sustainable civilization.
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    @Mathaddict You said that it would take a couple of months for the average temperature to drop below freezing. I didn't question that because it was less important than the bigger point that heat from the interior would prevent "A Pail of Air" conditions for ever forming. But you overestimate the length of time needed to drop below freezing with no insolation at all. In any event, even a couple of months is far too short a time to bury a sustainable civilization.
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    Given these facts, how likely is it that Iceland could maintain a
    colony of this type indefinitely, and how large is the maximum colony
    size that could be maintained?




    Ok, given time to erect an airtight and thermaly insulated environment or series of them.



    For sure heating is going to be your bigest problem as the outside temperatures approach single digits Kelvin, but we'll assume with "Perfect thermal insulation":



    The energy requirements for lighting sufficient to provide plant growth for food and for Krebbs cycle for oxygen for one person comes out to about 10 Kw. (Figure extrapolated from Bios3 data, exchanging the xenon arc lamps for more efficient LEDs) For the non vegans, gastropods, fish, insects could be cultivated with a modest increase of that budget to say 15 Kw per person.



    Doing the simple maths gives you the energy budget for 160,000 people.
    The more energy used for recycling water, air circulation, creating materials for repair, and leaving a safety margin - 100,000 people is not unreasonable in a perfect (if artificial) world.






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      Given these facts, how likely is it that Iceland could maintain a
      colony of this type indefinitely, and how large is the maximum colony
      size that could be maintained?




      Ok, given time to erect an airtight and thermaly insulated environment or series of them.



      For sure heating is going to be your bigest problem as the outside temperatures approach single digits Kelvin, but we'll assume with "Perfect thermal insulation":



      The energy requirements for lighting sufficient to provide plant growth for food and for Krebbs cycle for oxygen for one person comes out to about 10 Kw. (Figure extrapolated from Bios3 data, exchanging the xenon arc lamps for more efficient LEDs) For the non vegans, gastropods, fish, insects could be cultivated with a modest increase of that budget to say 15 Kw per person.



      Doing the simple maths gives you the energy budget for 160,000 people.
      The more energy used for recycling water, air circulation, creating materials for repair, and leaving a safety margin - 100,000 people is not unreasonable in a perfect (if artificial) world.






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        Given these facts, how likely is it that Iceland could maintain a
        colony of this type indefinitely, and how large is the maximum colony
        size that could be maintained?




        Ok, given time to erect an airtight and thermaly insulated environment or series of them.



        For sure heating is going to be your bigest problem as the outside temperatures approach single digits Kelvin, but we'll assume with "Perfect thermal insulation":



        The energy requirements for lighting sufficient to provide plant growth for food and for Krebbs cycle for oxygen for one person comes out to about 10 Kw. (Figure extrapolated from Bios3 data, exchanging the xenon arc lamps for more efficient LEDs) For the non vegans, gastropods, fish, insects could be cultivated with a modest increase of that budget to say 15 Kw per person.



        Doing the simple maths gives you the energy budget for 160,000 people.
        The more energy used for recycling water, air circulation, creating materials for repair, and leaving a safety margin - 100,000 people is not unreasonable in a perfect (if artificial) world.






        share|improve this answer









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        Given these facts, how likely is it that Iceland could maintain a
        colony of this type indefinitely, and how large is the maximum colony
        size that could be maintained?




        Ok, given time to erect an airtight and thermaly insulated environment or series of them.



        For sure heating is going to be your bigest problem as the outside temperatures approach single digits Kelvin, but we'll assume with "Perfect thermal insulation":



        The energy requirements for lighting sufficient to provide plant growth for food and for Krebbs cycle for oxygen for one person comes out to about 10 Kw. (Figure extrapolated from Bios3 data, exchanging the xenon arc lamps for more efficient LEDs) For the non vegans, gastropods, fish, insects could be cultivated with a modest increase of that budget to say 15 Kw per person.



        Doing the simple maths gives you the energy budget for 160,000 people.
        The more energy used for recycling water, air circulation, creating materials for repair, and leaving a safety margin - 100,000 people is not unreasonable in a perfect (if artificial) world.







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