Fellow student seems to be chasing rainbows. Should I step in?
I am currently writing my bachelor's thesis, and share advisors with a fellow student, who is also working in the same office as I am. We exchange daily about our progress.
I am under the impression that his work is going nowhere. He is working on a topic that has no previous work available, and according to him, direct verification on whether his research is useful is not possible. An indirect approach using yet another students' algorithm showed worse results in combination with the work of the student in question. To acquire this information, both students spent a large amount of time that could have been spent towards writing their theses.
He is somewhat backed up by his (our) supervisor, but I feel this is largely because the supervisor wants this research to end up in a peer-reviewed publication, even though there are no results that suggest the research is valid or useful in any way yet.
I have the impression that continuing this path will worsen the thesis outcome for my fellow student, as he is facing a deadline to turn in his thesis, but spends a lot of time trying things out and interpreting essentially bad results to show something positive.
Since I sympathize with him, I would like to intervene and talk bluntly about the issues written out above. I do understand, however, that it is not my place to correct him, as we are at the same stage of our careers, and I am about as inexperienced as he is. In addition, since our supervisor has a different opinion and more experience, it could very well be that I'll be wrong in the end.
- Which kind of interaction, if any, is ethical and reasonable for me to engage in?
I imagine this sort of thing happens more often, even with more experienced academics, as confirmation bias seems to be a somewhat common issue.
- How are similar problems usually handled in academia? Are people like my fellow student in question left alone to their own judgement, or do co-academics talk them out of seemingly bad ideas? Do people criticize each others' research a lot?
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I am currently writing my bachelor's thesis, and share advisors with a fellow student, who is also working in the same office as I am. We exchange daily about our progress.
I am under the impression that his work is going nowhere. He is working on a topic that has no previous work available, and according to him, direct verification on whether his research is useful is not possible. An indirect approach using yet another students' algorithm showed worse results in combination with the work of the student in question. To acquire this information, both students spent a large amount of time that could have been spent towards writing their theses.
He is somewhat backed up by his (our) supervisor, but I feel this is largely because the supervisor wants this research to end up in a peer-reviewed publication, even though there are no results that suggest the research is valid or useful in any way yet.
I have the impression that continuing this path will worsen the thesis outcome for my fellow student, as he is facing a deadline to turn in his thesis, but spends a lot of time trying things out and interpreting essentially bad results to show something positive.
Since I sympathize with him, I would like to intervene and talk bluntly about the issues written out above. I do understand, however, that it is not my place to correct him, as we are at the same stage of our careers, and I am about as inexperienced as he is. In addition, since our supervisor has a different opinion and more experience, it could very well be that I'll be wrong in the end.
- Which kind of interaction, if any, is ethical and reasonable for me to engage in?
I imagine this sort of thing happens more often, even with more experienced academics, as confirmation bias seems to be a somewhat common issue.
- How are similar problems usually handled in academia? Are people like my fellow student in question left alone to their own judgement, or do co-academics talk them out of seemingly bad ideas? Do people criticize each others' research a lot?
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I do understand, however, that it is not my place to correct him, as we are at the same stage of our careers, and I am about as inexperienced as he is It is your place to correct him or, at least, discuss your concerns (which might be wrong), you don't need to be "above" someone to do that.
– user2768
7 hours ago
Offering unsolicited opinions about someone else's work is a violation of interpersonal boundaries. If you are asked for your opinion or guidance, then share your concerns honestly and openly but also tactfully. But, until you are asked for your opinion, it's not your place to share it.
– Matt
1 hour ago
I do see a huge difference between stating your concerns and trying to correct someone!
– cbeleites
6 mins ago
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I am currently writing my bachelor's thesis, and share advisors with a fellow student, who is also working in the same office as I am. We exchange daily about our progress.
I am under the impression that his work is going nowhere. He is working on a topic that has no previous work available, and according to him, direct verification on whether his research is useful is not possible. An indirect approach using yet another students' algorithm showed worse results in combination with the work of the student in question. To acquire this information, both students spent a large amount of time that could have been spent towards writing their theses.
He is somewhat backed up by his (our) supervisor, but I feel this is largely because the supervisor wants this research to end up in a peer-reviewed publication, even though there are no results that suggest the research is valid or useful in any way yet.
I have the impression that continuing this path will worsen the thesis outcome for my fellow student, as he is facing a deadline to turn in his thesis, but spends a lot of time trying things out and interpreting essentially bad results to show something positive.
Since I sympathize with him, I would like to intervene and talk bluntly about the issues written out above. I do understand, however, that it is not my place to correct him, as we are at the same stage of our careers, and I am about as inexperienced as he is. In addition, since our supervisor has a different opinion and more experience, it could very well be that I'll be wrong in the end.
- Which kind of interaction, if any, is ethical and reasonable for me to engage in?
I imagine this sort of thing happens more often, even with more experienced academics, as confirmation bias seems to be a somewhat common issue.
- How are similar problems usually handled in academia? Are people like my fellow student in question left alone to their own judgement, or do co-academics talk them out of seemingly bad ideas? Do people criticize each others' research a lot?
research-process advisor research-undergraduate academic-life
I am currently writing my bachelor's thesis, and share advisors with a fellow student, who is also working in the same office as I am. We exchange daily about our progress.
I am under the impression that his work is going nowhere. He is working on a topic that has no previous work available, and according to him, direct verification on whether his research is useful is not possible. An indirect approach using yet another students' algorithm showed worse results in combination with the work of the student in question. To acquire this information, both students spent a large amount of time that could have been spent towards writing their theses.
He is somewhat backed up by his (our) supervisor, but I feel this is largely because the supervisor wants this research to end up in a peer-reviewed publication, even though there are no results that suggest the research is valid or useful in any way yet.
I have the impression that continuing this path will worsen the thesis outcome for my fellow student, as he is facing a deadline to turn in his thesis, but spends a lot of time trying things out and interpreting essentially bad results to show something positive.
Since I sympathize with him, I would like to intervene and talk bluntly about the issues written out above. I do understand, however, that it is not my place to correct him, as we are at the same stage of our careers, and I am about as inexperienced as he is. In addition, since our supervisor has a different opinion and more experience, it could very well be that I'll be wrong in the end.
- Which kind of interaction, if any, is ethical and reasonable for me to engage in?
I imagine this sort of thing happens more often, even with more experienced academics, as confirmation bias seems to be a somewhat common issue.
- How are similar problems usually handled in academia? Are people like my fellow student in question left alone to their own judgement, or do co-academics talk them out of seemingly bad ideas? Do people criticize each others' research a lot?
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I do understand, however, that it is not my place to correct him, as we are at the same stage of our careers, and I am about as inexperienced as he is It is your place to correct him or, at least, discuss your concerns (which might be wrong), you don't need to be "above" someone to do that.
– user2768
7 hours ago
Offering unsolicited opinions about someone else's work is a violation of interpersonal boundaries. If you are asked for your opinion or guidance, then share your concerns honestly and openly but also tactfully. But, until you are asked for your opinion, it's not your place to share it.
– Matt
1 hour ago
I do see a huge difference between stating your concerns and trying to correct someone!
– cbeleites
6 mins ago
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I do understand, however, that it is not my place to correct him, as we are at the same stage of our careers, and I am about as inexperienced as he is It is your place to correct him or, at least, discuss your concerns (which might be wrong), you don't need to be "above" someone to do that.
– user2768
7 hours ago
Offering unsolicited opinions about someone else's work is a violation of interpersonal boundaries. If you are asked for your opinion or guidance, then share your concerns honestly and openly but also tactfully. But, until you are asked for your opinion, it's not your place to share it.
– Matt
1 hour ago
I do see a huge difference between stating your concerns and trying to correct someone!
– cbeleites
6 mins ago
1
1
I do understand, however, that it is not my place to correct him, as we are at the same stage of our careers, and I am about as inexperienced as he is It is your place to correct him or, at least, discuss your concerns (which might be wrong), you don't need to be "above" someone to do that.
– user2768
7 hours ago
I do understand, however, that it is not my place to correct him, as we are at the same stage of our careers, and I am about as inexperienced as he is It is your place to correct him or, at least, discuss your concerns (which might be wrong), you don't need to be "above" someone to do that.
– user2768
7 hours ago
Offering unsolicited opinions about someone else's work is a violation of interpersonal boundaries. If you are asked for your opinion or guidance, then share your concerns honestly and openly but also tactfully. But, until you are asked for your opinion, it's not your place to share it.
– Matt
1 hour ago
Offering unsolicited opinions about someone else's work is a violation of interpersonal boundaries. If you are asked for your opinion or guidance, then share your concerns honestly and openly but also tactfully. But, until you are asked for your opinion, it's not your place to share it.
– Matt
1 hour ago
I do see a huge difference between stating your concerns and trying to correct someone!
– cbeleites
6 mins ago
I do see a huge difference between stating your concerns and trying to correct someone!
– cbeleites
6 mins ago
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It seems your main concern about your colleague's research is that the results are not "useful". I'm not sure what it means to you that the results aren't "useful" - is your colleague doing something that hasn't been tried before? If so, the work may be "useful" even if only to rule out a particular approach, or to clarify problems with a particular approach.
For example: suppose I have an idea to use X to address problem Y. It turns out that the state of the art, Z, is a much more efficient and closer to optimal solution to Y than X. However, by trying out X, I at least am able to 1) rule out the approach, and 2) gain some insight into why X does not work as well as Z for problem Y, what features of problem Y suggest it is not amenable to solution by X, etc. These are "useful" results (especially in the context of a bachelor's thesis).
Now, suppose I have a colleague who is in this situation, but who is still trying to somehow make X into a good (or better than Z) solution for Y. I would probably (in the course of normal discussions about our research) say something to my colleague like, "I think the most interesting part of your research is what it teaches us about problem Y, why X initially seemed like a good solution, and why Z turns out to be much better than X. If I were in your position, I would focus on that aspect as my main contribution, especially with a thesis deadline coming up." Often, people are so close to their research (whether their results are promising or not) that they may not realize what parts of it could be most interesting to the broader research community. This kind of feedback (from anyone - supervisor or colleague!) can be helpful.
add a comment |
Which kind of interaction, if any, is ethical and reasonable for me to engage in?
Discuss your concerns with your peer.
How are similar problems usually handled in academia?
Through discussion.
Are people like my fellow student...left alone to their own
judgement,
Largely, yes, but...
or do co-academics talk them out of seemingly bad ideas?
...in an ideal world colleagues (who they've discussed their work with) will try to bring them back on track.
Do people criticize each others' research a lot?
Yes! Constructive criticism is central to the research process (unconstructive criticism is unfortunately common).
add a comment |
I would, gently, make your point known. Make it clear your point is in sympathy for him, not in directing him or arguing with him. Perhaps it will help the fellow. Perhaps not. If he doesn't want to listen, back off and just let the guy take his lesson. But I would probably go ahead and give him the heads up. At least he can consider the issue.
P.s. I think your instincts are good here. Project selection (reasonable scope, available resources, etc.) is a key to success in research. Just "doing what the advisor suggests" is not independent. You always have to decide if it is a good idea to work on a project someone suggests. Time is finite. Life is finite.
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You shouldn't interfere. Getting trapped into rabbit holes is part of the research process. Learning how to get of one on your own is part of the experience. It's a bit like trying learning to walk without falling; or walking only on a perfect surface.
Sure, someone could hold your hand all the time; point you the obstacles on your way etc. The point of research is to gain autonomy in your thought process.
Your supervisor probably knows what's going on but won't step until it's absolutely necessary. If you are asked for help, do share your views.
In academia this is handled by the researcher requesting feedback from his/her supervisor, from his peers, presenting at workshops and conferences etc.
For now your best help would be just to listen to him, and ask questions about his research without judgment of the results.
This seems like an awfully wasteful stance...
– user2768
4 hours ago
@user2768 counter question, how do you know you have gone deep enough in exploring a possibility? The truth is you never know. In the OP's question it can be probably very easily clarified, but the further you go into a research career the less you know if a given path is right or not (e.g. the less people would be able to tell you if you're right or not). You need to rely in your own instincts as to weather to go deeper or not; and these instincts are only developed through experience. Thus why rely on others, when you can develop your skills?
– Koenig Lear
3 hours ago
I have not suggested any reliance on others and I don't understand how going deep enough relates to my comment.
– user2768
3 hours ago
@user2768 in that case I don't understand what do you mean by wasteful? I assumed you meant wasting too much time going too deep.
– Koenig Lear
3 hours ago
1
@user2768 I argue that going down rabbit holes is useful, you may discover useful things. A lot of useful research has come out of rabbit holes. Non-euclidian geometry comes to mind.
– Koenig Lear
2 hours ago
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It seems your main concern about your colleague's research is that the results are not "useful". I'm not sure what it means to you that the results aren't "useful" - is your colleague doing something that hasn't been tried before? If so, the work may be "useful" even if only to rule out a particular approach, or to clarify problems with a particular approach.
For example: suppose I have an idea to use X to address problem Y. It turns out that the state of the art, Z, is a much more efficient and closer to optimal solution to Y than X. However, by trying out X, I at least am able to 1) rule out the approach, and 2) gain some insight into why X does not work as well as Z for problem Y, what features of problem Y suggest it is not amenable to solution by X, etc. These are "useful" results (especially in the context of a bachelor's thesis).
Now, suppose I have a colleague who is in this situation, but who is still trying to somehow make X into a good (or better than Z) solution for Y. I would probably (in the course of normal discussions about our research) say something to my colleague like, "I think the most interesting part of your research is what it teaches us about problem Y, why X initially seemed like a good solution, and why Z turns out to be much better than X. If I were in your position, I would focus on that aspect as my main contribution, especially with a thesis deadline coming up." Often, people are so close to their research (whether their results are promising or not) that they may not realize what parts of it could be most interesting to the broader research community. This kind of feedback (from anyone - supervisor or colleague!) can be helpful.
add a comment |
It seems your main concern about your colleague's research is that the results are not "useful". I'm not sure what it means to you that the results aren't "useful" - is your colleague doing something that hasn't been tried before? If so, the work may be "useful" even if only to rule out a particular approach, or to clarify problems with a particular approach.
For example: suppose I have an idea to use X to address problem Y. It turns out that the state of the art, Z, is a much more efficient and closer to optimal solution to Y than X. However, by trying out X, I at least am able to 1) rule out the approach, and 2) gain some insight into why X does not work as well as Z for problem Y, what features of problem Y suggest it is not amenable to solution by X, etc. These are "useful" results (especially in the context of a bachelor's thesis).
Now, suppose I have a colleague who is in this situation, but who is still trying to somehow make X into a good (or better than Z) solution for Y. I would probably (in the course of normal discussions about our research) say something to my colleague like, "I think the most interesting part of your research is what it teaches us about problem Y, why X initially seemed like a good solution, and why Z turns out to be much better than X. If I were in your position, I would focus on that aspect as my main contribution, especially with a thesis deadline coming up." Often, people are so close to their research (whether their results are promising or not) that they may not realize what parts of it could be most interesting to the broader research community. This kind of feedback (from anyone - supervisor or colleague!) can be helpful.
add a comment |
It seems your main concern about your colleague's research is that the results are not "useful". I'm not sure what it means to you that the results aren't "useful" - is your colleague doing something that hasn't been tried before? If so, the work may be "useful" even if only to rule out a particular approach, or to clarify problems with a particular approach.
For example: suppose I have an idea to use X to address problem Y. It turns out that the state of the art, Z, is a much more efficient and closer to optimal solution to Y than X. However, by trying out X, I at least am able to 1) rule out the approach, and 2) gain some insight into why X does not work as well as Z for problem Y, what features of problem Y suggest it is not amenable to solution by X, etc. These are "useful" results (especially in the context of a bachelor's thesis).
Now, suppose I have a colleague who is in this situation, but who is still trying to somehow make X into a good (or better than Z) solution for Y. I would probably (in the course of normal discussions about our research) say something to my colleague like, "I think the most interesting part of your research is what it teaches us about problem Y, why X initially seemed like a good solution, and why Z turns out to be much better than X. If I were in your position, I would focus on that aspect as my main contribution, especially with a thesis deadline coming up." Often, people are so close to their research (whether their results are promising or not) that they may not realize what parts of it could be most interesting to the broader research community. This kind of feedback (from anyone - supervisor or colleague!) can be helpful.
It seems your main concern about your colleague's research is that the results are not "useful". I'm not sure what it means to you that the results aren't "useful" - is your colleague doing something that hasn't been tried before? If so, the work may be "useful" even if only to rule out a particular approach, or to clarify problems with a particular approach.
For example: suppose I have an idea to use X to address problem Y. It turns out that the state of the art, Z, is a much more efficient and closer to optimal solution to Y than X. However, by trying out X, I at least am able to 1) rule out the approach, and 2) gain some insight into why X does not work as well as Z for problem Y, what features of problem Y suggest it is not amenable to solution by X, etc. These are "useful" results (especially in the context of a bachelor's thesis).
Now, suppose I have a colleague who is in this situation, but who is still trying to somehow make X into a good (or better than Z) solution for Y. I would probably (in the course of normal discussions about our research) say something to my colleague like, "I think the most interesting part of your research is what it teaches us about problem Y, why X initially seemed like a good solution, and why Z turns out to be much better than X. If I were in your position, I would focus on that aspect as my main contribution, especially with a thesis deadline coming up." Often, people are so close to their research (whether their results are promising or not) that they may not realize what parts of it could be most interesting to the broader research community. This kind of feedback (from anyone - supervisor or colleague!) can be helpful.
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Which kind of interaction, if any, is ethical and reasonable for me to engage in?
Discuss your concerns with your peer.
How are similar problems usually handled in academia?
Through discussion.
Are people like my fellow student...left alone to their own
judgement,
Largely, yes, but...
or do co-academics talk them out of seemingly bad ideas?
...in an ideal world colleagues (who they've discussed their work with) will try to bring them back on track.
Do people criticize each others' research a lot?
Yes! Constructive criticism is central to the research process (unconstructive criticism is unfortunately common).
add a comment |
Which kind of interaction, if any, is ethical and reasonable for me to engage in?
Discuss your concerns with your peer.
How are similar problems usually handled in academia?
Through discussion.
Are people like my fellow student...left alone to their own
judgement,
Largely, yes, but...
or do co-academics talk them out of seemingly bad ideas?
...in an ideal world colleagues (who they've discussed their work with) will try to bring them back on track.
Do people criticize each others' research a lot?
Yes! Constructive criticism is central to the research process (unconstructive criticism is unfortunately common).
add a comment |
Which kind of interaction, if any, is ethical and reasonable for me to engage in?
Discuss your concerns with your peer.
How are similar problems usually handled in academia?
Through discussion.
Are people like my fellow student...left alone to their own
judgement,
Largely, yes, but...
or do co-academics talk them out of seemingly bad ideas?
...in an ideal world colleagues (who they've discussed their work with) will try to bring them back on track.
Do people criticize each others' research a lot?
Yes! Constructive criticism is central to the research process (unconstructive criticism is unfortunately common).
Which kind of interaction, if any, is ethical and reasonable for me to engage in?
Discuss your concerns with your peer.
How are similar problems usually handled in academia?
Through discussion.
Are people like my fellow student...left alone to their own
judgement,
Largely, yes, but...
or do co-academics talk them out of seemingly bad ideas?
...in an ideal world colleagues (who they've discussed their work with) will try to bring them back on track.
Do people criticize each others' research a lot?
Yes! Constructive criticism is central to the research process (unconstructive criticism is unfortunately common).
answered 7 hours ago
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I would, gently, make your point known. Make it clear your point is in sympathy for him, not in directing him or arguing with him. Perhaps it will help the fellow. Perhaps not. If he doesn't want to listen, back off and just let the guy take his lesson. But I would probably go ahead and give him the heads up. At least he can consider the issue.
P.s. I think your instincts are good here. Project selection (reasonable scope, available resources, etc.) is a key to success in research. Just "doing what the advisor suggests" is not independent. You always have to decide if it is a good idea to work on a project someone suggests. Time is finite. Life is finite.
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I would, gently, make your point known. Make it clear your point is in sympathy for him, not in directing him or arguing with him. Perhaps it will help the fellow. Perhaps not. If he doesn't want to listen, back off and just let the guy take his lesson. But I would probably go ahead and give him the heads up. At least he can consider the issue.
P.s. I think your instincts are good here. Project selection (reasonable scope, available resources, etc.) is a key to success in research. Just "doing what the advisor suggests" is not independent. You always have to decide if it is a good idea to work on a project someone suggests. Time is finite. Life is finite.
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I would, gently, make your point known. Make it clear your point is in sympathy for him, not in directing him or arguing with him. Perhaps it will help the fellow. Perhaps not. If he doesn't want to listen, back off and just let the guy take his lesson. But I would probably go ahead and give him the heads up. At least he can consider the issue.
P.s. I think your instincts are good here. Project selection (reasonable scope, available resources, etc.) is a key to success in research. Just "doing what the advisor suggests" is not independent. You always have to decide if it is a good idea to work on a project someone suggests. Time is finite. Life is finite.
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I would, gently, make your point known. Make it clear your point is in sympathy for him, not in directing him or arguing with him. Perhaps it will help the fellow. Perhaps not. If he doesn't want to listen, back off and just let the guy take his lesson. But I would probably go ahead and give him the heads up. At least he can consider the issue.
P.s. I think your instincts are good here. Project selection (reasonable scope, available resources, etc.) is a key to success in research. Just "doing what the advisor suggests" is not independent. You always have to decide if it is a good idea to work on a project someone suggests. Time is finite. Life is finite.
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You shouldn't interfere. Getting trapped into rabbit holes is part of the research process. Learning how to get of one on your own is part of the experience. It's a bit like trying learning to walk without falling; or walking only on a perfect surface.
Sure, someone could hold your hand all the time; point you the obstacles on your way etc. The point of research is to gain autonomy in your thought process.
Your supervisor probably knows what's going on but won't step until it's absolutely necessary. If you are asked for help, do share your views.
In academia this is handled by the researcher requesting feedback from his/her supervisor, from his peers, presenting at workshops and conferences etc.
For now your best help would be just to listen to him, and ask questions about his research without judgment of the results.
This seems like an awfully wasteful stance...
– user2768
4 hours ago
@user2768 counter question, how do you know you have gone deep enough in exploring a possibility? The truth is you never know. In the OP's question it can be probably very easily clarified, but the further you go into a research career the less you know if a given path is right or not (e.g. the less people would be able to tell you if you're right or not). You need to rely in your own instincts as to weather to go deeper or not; and these instincts are only developed through experience. Thus why rely on others, when you can develop your skills?
– Koenig Lear
3 hours ago
I have not suggested any reliance on others and I don't understand how going deep enough relates to my comment.
– user2768
3 hours ago
@user2768 in that case I don't understand what do you mean by wasteful? I assumed you meant wasting too much time going too deep.
– Koenig Lear
3 hours ago
1
@user2768 I argue that going down rabbit holes is useful, you may discover useful things. A lot of useful research has come out of rabbit holes. Non-euclidian geometry comes to mind.
– Koenig Lear
2 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
You shouldn't interfere. Getting trapped into rabbit holes is part of the research process. Learning how to get of one on your own is part of the experience. It's a bit like trying learning to walk without falling; or walking only on a perfect surface.
Sure, someone could hold your hand all the time; point you the obstacles on your way etc. The point of research is to gain autonomy in your thought process.
Your supervisor probably knows what's going on but won't step until it's absolutely necessary. If you are asked for help, do share your views.
In academia this is handled by the researcher requesting feedback from his/her supervisor, from his peers, presenting at workshops and conferences etc.
For now your best help would be just to listen to him, and ask questions about his research without judgment of the results.
This seems like an awfully wasteful stance...
– user2768
4 hours ago
@user2768 counter question, how do you know you have gone deep enough in exploring a possibility? The truth is you never know. In the OP's question it can be probably very easily clarified, but the further you go into a research career the less you know if a given path is right or not (e.g. the less people would be able to tell you if you're right or not). You need to rely in your own instincts as to weather to go deeper or not; and these instincts are only developed through experience. Thus why rely on others, when you can develop your skills?
– Koenig Lear
3 hours ago
I have not suggested any reliance on others and I don't understand how going deep enough relates to my comment.
– user2768
3 hours ago
@user2768 in that case I don't understand what do you mean by wasteful? I assumed you meant wasting too much time going too deep.
– Koenig Lear
3 hours ago
1
@user2768 I argue that going down rabbit holes is useful, you may discover useful things. A lot of useful research has come out of rabbit holes. Non-euclidian geometry comes to mind.
– Koenig Lear
2 hours ago
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You shouldn't interfere. Getting trapped into rabbit holes is part of the research process. Learning how to get of one on your own is part of the experience. It's a bit like trying learning to walk without falling; or walking only on a perfect surface.
Sure, someone could hold your hand all the time; point you the obstacles on your way etc. The point of research is to gain autonomy in your thought process.
Your supervisor probably knows what's going on but won't step until it's absolutely necessary. If you are asked for help, do share your views.
In academia this is handled by the researcher requesting feedback from his/her supervisor, from his peers, presenting at workshops and conferences etc.
For now your best help would be just to listen to him, and ask questions about his research without judgment of the results.
You shouldn't interfere. Getting trapped into rabbit holes is part of the research process. Learning how to get of one on your own is part of the experience. It's a bit like trying learning to walk without falling; or walking only on a perfect surface.
Sure, someone could hold your hand all the time; point you the obstacles on your way etc. The point of research is to gain autonomy in your thought process.
Your supervisor probably knows what's going on but won't step until it's absolutely necessary. If you are asked for help, do share your views.
In academia this is handled by the researcher requesting feedback from his/her supervisor, from his peers, presenting at workshops and conferences etc.
For now your best help would be just to listen to him, and ask questions about his research without judgment of the results.
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This seems like an awfully wasteful stance...
– user2768
4 hours ago
@user2768 counter question, how do you know you have gone deep enough in exploring a possibility? The truth is you never know. In the OP's question it can be probably very easily clarified, but the further you go into a research career the less you know if a given path is right or not (e.g. the less people would be able to tell you if you're right or not). You need to rely in your own instincts as to weather to go deeper or not; and these instincts are only developed through experience. Thus why rely on others, when you can develop your skills?
– Koenig Lear
3 hours ago
I have not suggested any reliance on others and I don't understand how going deep enough relates to my comment.
– user2768
3 hours ago
@user2768 in that case I don't understand what do you mean by wasteful? I assumed you meant wasting too much time going too deep.
– Koenig Lear
3 hours ago
1
@user2768 I argue that going down rabbit holes is useful, you may discover useful things. A lot of useful research has come out of rabbit holes. Non-euclidian geometry comes to mind.
– Koenig Lear
2 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
This seems like an awfully wasteful stance...
– user2768
4 hours ago
@user2768 counter question, how do you know you have gone deep enough in exploring a possibility? The truth is you never know. In the OP's question it can be probably very easily clarified, but the further you go into a research career the less you know if a given path is right or not (e.g. the less people would be able to tell you if you're right or not). You need to rely in your own instincts as to weather to go deeper or not; and these instincts are only developed through experience. Thus why rely on others, when you can develop your skills?
– Koenig Lear
3 hours ago
I have not suggested any reliance on others and I don't understand how going deep enough relates to my comment.
– user2768
3 hours ago
@user2768 in that case I don't understand what do you mean by wasteful? I assumed you meant wasting too much time going too deep.
– Koenig Lear
3 hours ago
1
@user2768 I argue that going down rabbit holes is useful, you may discover useful things. A lot of useful research has come out of rabbit holes. Non-euclidian geometry comes to mind.
– Koenig Lear
2 hours ago
This seems like an awfully wasteful stance...
– user2768
4 hours ago
This seems like an awfully wasteful stance...
– user2768
4 hours ago
@user2768 counter question, how do you know you have gone deep enough in exploring a possibility? The truth is you never know. In the OP's question it can be probably very easily clarified, but the further you go into a research career the less you know if a given path is right or not (e.g. the less people would be able to tell you if you're right or not). You need to rely in your own instincts as to weather to go deeper or not; and these instincts are only developed through experience. Thus why rely on others, when you can develop your skills?
– Koenig Lear
3 hours ago
@user2768 counter question, how do you know you have gone deep enough in exploring a possibility? The truth is you never know. In the OP's question it can be probably very easily clarified, but the further you go into a research career the less you know if a given path is right or not (e.g. the less people would be able to tell you if you're right or not). You need to rely in your own instincts as to weather to go deeper or not; and these instincts are only developed through experience. Thus why rely on others, when you can develop your skills?
– Koenig Lear
3 hours ago
I have not suggested any reliance on others and I don't understand how going deep enough relates to my comment.
– user2768
3 hours ago
I have not suggested any reliance on others and I don't understand how going deep enough relates to my comment.
– user2768
3 hours ago
@user2768 in that case I don't understand what do you mean by wasteful? I assumed you meant wasting too much time going too deep.
– Koenig Lear
3 hours ago
@user2768 in that case I don't understand what do you mean by wasteful? I assumed you meant wasting too much time going too deep.
– Koenig Lear
3 hours ago
1
1
@user2768 I argue that going down rabbit holes is useful, you may discover useful things. A lot of useful research has come out of rabbit holes. Non-euclidian geometry comes to mind.
– Koenig Lear
2 hours ago
@user2768 I argue that going down rabbit holes is useful, you may discover useful things. A lot of useful research has come out of rabbit holes. Non-euclidian geometry comes to mind.
– Koenig Lear
2 hours ago
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I do understand, however, that it is not my place to correct him, as we are at the same stage of our careers, and I am about as inexperienced as he is It is your place to correct him or, at least, discuss your concerns (which might be wrong), you don't need to be "above" someone to do that.
– user2768
7 hours ago
Offering unsolicited opinions about someone else's work is a violation of interpersonal boundaries. If you are asked for your opinion or guidance, then share your concerns honestly and openly but also tactfully. But, until you are asked for your opinion, it's not your place to share it.
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I do see a huge difference between stating your concerns and trying to correct someone!
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