Notes in a lick that don't fit in the scale associated with the chord
Hello! Could someone please give me an explanation about why in the above lick they use G flat (yellow square) instead of G and an E (red circle) instead of E flat, as the Gm dictates?
Thank you in advance!
theory chords chord-theory
add a comment |
Hello! Could someone please give me an explanation about why in the above lick they use G flat (yellow square) instead of G and an E (red circle) instead of E flat, as the Gm dictates?
Thank you in advance!
theory chords chord-theory
2
What do you think that Gm7 means? (Hint: it's not the key)
– The Chaz 2.0
22 hours ago
add a comment |
Hello! Could someone please give me an explanation about why in the above lick they use G flat (yellow square) instead of G and an E (red circle) instead of E flat, as the Gm dictates?
Thank you in advance!
theory chords chord-theory
Hello! Could someone please give me an explanation about why in the above lick they use G flat (yellow square) instead of G and an E (red circle) instead of E flat, as the Gm dictates?
Thank you in advance!
theory chords chord-theory
theory chords chord-theory
edited 5 mins ago
Ben Crowell
547211
547211
asked 23 hours ago
HappyCaneHappyCane
504
504
2
What do you think that Gm7 means? (Hint: it's not the key)
– The Chaz 2.0
22 hours ago
add a comment |
2
What do you think that Gm7 means? (Hint: it's not the key)
– The Chaz 2.0
22 hours ago
2
2
What do you think that Gm7 means? (Hint: it's not the key)
– The Chaz 2.0
22 hours ago
What do you think that Gm7 means? (Hint: it's not the key)
– The Chaz 2.0
22 hours ago
add a comment |
5 Answers
5
active
oldest
votes
You could ask the same about the A note. All three are just passing notes, passing from one 'good' note to another 'good' note. I call them stepping stone notes. They come on unstressed parts of the bar. The stressed points usually being beats 1 and 3. Here the A is & of 1, Gb & of 3 and E & of 4, all weak points where almost any note will not sound too bad. Gb>F>E is a chromatic run, possibly ending on a chord tone on the important 1 in the next bar, Eb perhaps, part of Cm chord? All this presumes it's in key C, with the C key sig - no # or b.
The 'Gm7' dictates nothing. Except that's the chord appropriate in that bar. There's no 'rules' (as we keep saying!); there's only 'theory'. Often in a bar of Gm7 there will be some chord tones - G, Bb, D, F, but that certainly does not preclude use of any of the remaining eight notes, whatever key the piece happens to be in. That concept you (and so many others) adhere to is wrong!
2
Good answer. There are many interpretations as to what chord symbols mean. In the foreword of Chick Corea's "Paint the World" sheet music book he says something like, he will not add a note in the chord symbol, if it's already stated in the melody. For example if the melody has a B note, a chord symbol "Am7" is enough, and he won't write "Am9" there. So it's up to the reader's subjective judgement to understand if a written melody note is an essential part of the song's harmony idea, or not :) Chord symbols are not a theory-hygienic harmony specification. They're more like accompaniment hints.
– piiperi
19 hours ago
@piiperi - Mark Levine's Jazz Theory book is full of the opposite!
– Tim
19 hours ago
1
Maybe the problem is that people don't read the forewords and assume that there's one universally "correct" interpretation for everything. And they don't know the culture around these written artifacts. :) I.e. what do people actually do with these things... Nowadays, when everything and everyone is becoming partly machine, music is assumed to be a coded list of mechanical "press these buttons at these instants" instructions. ;) Here's a cool thing that's written as just "E7" in the lead sheet youtube.com/watch?v=nO_xkm9s3rU&t=66s
– piiperi
17 hours ago
@piiperi - 'Laura' is similar to what Chick said. Some of the melody parts are m9, but the chords are simple m or m7. Although, put together, it makes m9...
– Tim
17 hours ago
add a comment |
In general, not every note needs to be considered part of the harmony. You can have notes outside of a chord or key be utilized. Both of these notes are examples of non harmonic tones.
The G♭ is a chromatic passing tone. It is sandwiched between the G and F which are both chord tones. The E is also most likely another non harmonic tone, what it is exactly depends on what comes next. It could be another chromatic passing tone if the next note is an E♭, it could just as easily be an anticipation of what is next especially if you are in the key of A minor or C major which the lack of accidentals in the key signature.
add a comment |
Although for this particular phrase the easiest explanation is "they're simply passing notes" it's worth noting these particular passing notes are a bit like a magic ingredient in the sound of jazz as they are part of jazz minor scale, almost a classic sound in jazz.
So if you start digging more and analyzing jazz recordings you will come across phrases where the sixth and major seventh over minor chords function as a static tension or a harmonic "color" that doesn't really get resolved.
add a comment |
Context is important when trying to understand what the chords are doing, but the Gm7 could be a ii chord, perhaps part of a ii-V7-I progression. The Dorian scale is often used to create phrases over ii chords, and G Dorian includes an E, not an Eb. In fact, the natural sixth degree (the E) is the note that gives Dorian its character.
In this interpretation, the only other note that needs explaining is the Gb. It is, of course, just a chromatic passing note. But more can be said. Bebop players used to add certain chromatic passing notes to smooth out their phrases; this phrase can be seen as constructed from the G Bebop Dorian scale, with a Gb written in place of F#.
In other words, this phrase is typical of what might be played over a ii chord in the Bebop idiom.
add a comment |
The technical term is non-chord tones.
The other answers already explain these particular NCT's are unaccented passing tones, but there is a complete nomenclature of NCT from classical music that you should review to see the wide range of possibilities. In homophonic (chord based) music a huge amount of melody can be explain as the interplay of chord tones following the harmony and non-chord tones.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonchord_tone
In jazz there is a special type of NCT called an enclosure which you should also review.
- https://www.jazzadvice.com/how-to-effectively-use-enclosure/
The chord/scale system in jazz is an alternate approach from the classical non-chord tones theory. But some other questions/answers here at StackExchange explain that historically - prior to the chord/scale system - jazz improv was largely arpeggiated chords embellished with non-chord tones. The two systems shouldn't be considered mutually exclusive.
You might want to expand this single question to a general review of the whole topic of non-chord tones. It will deepen your understanding of melody.
add a comment |
Your Answer
StackExchange.ready(function() {
var channelOptions = {
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "240"
};
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
createEditor();
});
}
else {
createEditor();
}
});
function createEditor() {
StackExchange.prepareEditor({
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader: {
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
},
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
});
}
});
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmusic.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f80723%2fnotes-in-a-lick-that-dont-fit-in-the-scale-associated-with-the-chord%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
5 Answers
5
active
oldest
votes
5 Answers
5
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
You could ask the same about the A note. All three are just passing notes, passing from one 'good' note to another 'good' note. I call them stepping stone notes. They come on unstressed parts of the bar. The stressed points usually being beats 1 and 3. Here the A is & of 1, Gb & of 3 and E & of 4, all weak points where almost any note will not sound too bad. Gb>F>E is a chromatic run, possibly ending on a chord tone on the important 1 in the next bar, Eb perhaps, part of Cm chord? All this presumes it's in key C, with the C key sig - no # or b.
The 'Gm7' dictates nothing. Except that's the chord appropriate in that bar. There's no 'rules' (as we keep saying!); there's only 'theory'. Often in a bar of Gm7 there will be some chord tones - G, Bb, D, F, but that certainly does not preclude use of any of the remaining eight notes, whatever key the piece happens to be in. That concept you (and so many others) adhere to is wrong!
2
Good answer. There are many interpretations as to what chord symbols mean. In the foreword of Chick Corea's "Paint the World" sheet music book he says something like, he will not add a note in the chord symbol, if it's already stated in the melody. For example if the melody has a B note, a chord symbol "Am7" is enough, and he won't write "Am9" there. So it's up to the reader's subjective judgement to understand if a written melody note is an essential part of the song's harmony idea, or not :) Chord symbols are not a theory-hygienic harmony specification. They're more like accompaniment hints.
– piiperi
19 hours ago
@piiperi - Mark Levine's Jazz Theory book is full of the opposite!
– Tim
19 hours ago
1
Maybe the problem is that people don't read the forewords and assume that there's one universally "correct" interpretation for everything. And they don't know the culture around these written artifacts. :) I.e. what do people actually do with these things... Nowadays, when everything and everyone is becoming partly machine, music is assumed to be a coded list of mechanical "press these buttons at these instants" instructions. ;) Here's a cool thing that's written as just "E7" in the lead sheet youtube.com/watch?v=nO_xkm9s3rU&t=66s
– piiperi
17 hours ago
@piiperi - 'Laura' is similar to what Chick said. Some of the melody parts are m9, but the chords are simple m or m7. Although, put together, it makes m9...
– Tim
17 hours ago
add a comment |
You could ask the same about the A note. All three are just passing notes, passing from one 'good' note to another 'good' note. I call them stepping stone notes. They come on unstressed parts of the bar. The stressed points usually being beats 1 and 3. Here the A is & of 1, Gb & of 3 and E & of 4, all weak points where almost any note will not sound too bad. Gb>F>E is a chromatic run, possibly ending on a chord tone on the important 1 in the next bar, Eb perhaps, part of Cm chord? All this presumes it's in key C, with the C key sig - no # or b.
The 'Gm7' dictates nothing. Except that's the chord appropriate in that bar. There's no 'rules' (as we keep saying!); there's only 'theory'. Often in a bar of Gm7 there will be some chord tones - G, Bb, D, F, but that certainly does not preclude use of any of the remaining eight notes, whatever key the piece happens to be in. That concept you (and so many others) adhere to is wrong!
2
Good answer. There are many interpretations as to what chord symbols mean. In the foreword of Chick Corea's "Paint the World" sheet music book he says something like, he will not add a note in the chord symbol, if it's already stated in the melody. For example if the melody has a B note, a chord symbol "Am7" is enough, and he won't write "Am9" there. So it's up to the reader's subjective judgement to understand if a written melody note is an essential part of the song's harmony idea, or not :) Chord symbols are not a theory-hygienic harmony specification. They're more like accompaniment hints.
– piiperi
19 hours ago
@piiperi - Mark Levine's Jazz Theory book is full of the opposite!
– Tim
19 hours ago
1
Maybe the problem is that people don't read the forewords and assume that there's one universally "correct" interpretation for everything. And they don't know the culture around these written artifacts. :) I.e. what do people actually do with these things... Nowadays, when everything and everyone is becoming partly machine, music is assumed to be a coded list of mechanical "press these buttons at these instants" instructions. ;) Here's a cool thing that's written as just "E7" in the lead sheet youtube.com/watch?v=nO_xkm9s3rU&t=66s
– piiperi
17 hours ago
@piiperi - 'Laura' is similar to what Chick said. Some of the melody parts are m9, but the chords are simple m or m7. Although, put together, it makes m9...
– Tim
17 hours ago
add a comment |
You could ask the same about the A note. All three are just passing notes, passing from one 'good' note to another 'good' note. I call them stepping stone notes. They come on unstressed parts of the bar. The stressed points usually being beats 1 and 3. Here the A is & of 1, Gb & of 3 and E & of 4, all weak points where almost any note will not sound too bad. Gb>F>E is a chromatic run, possibly ending on a chord tone on the important 1 in the next bar, Eb perhaps, part of Cm chord? All this presumes it's in key C, with the C key sig - no # or b.
The 'Gm7' dictates nothing. Except that's the chord appropriate in that bar. There's no 'rules' (as we keep saying!); there's only 'theory'. Often in a bar of Gm7 there will be some chord tones - G, Bb, D, F, but that certainly does not preclude use of any of the remaining eight notes, whatever key the piece happens to be in. That concept you (and so many others) adhere to is wrong!
You could ask the same about the A note. All three are just passing notes, passing from one 'good' note to another 'good' note. I call them stepping stone notes. They come on unstressed parts of the bar. The stressed points usually being beats 1 and 3. Here the A is & of 1, Gb & of 3 and E & of 4, all weak points where almost any note will not sound too bad. Gb>F>E is a chromatic run, possibly ending on a chord tone on the important 1 in the next bar, Eb perhaps, part of Cm chord? All this presumes it's in key C, with the C key sig - no # or b.
The 'Gm7' dictates nothing. Except that's the chord appropriate in that bar. There's no 'rules' (as we keep saying!); there's only 'theory'. Often in a bar of Gm7 there will be some chord tones - G, Bb, D, F, but that certainly does not preclude use of any of the remaining eight notes, whatever key the piece happens to be in. That concept you (and so many others) adhere to is wrong!
edited 21 hours ago
answered 22 hours ago
TimTim
102k10104258
102k10104258
2
Good answer. There are many interpretations as to what chord symbols mean. In the foreword of Chick Corea's "Paint the World" sheet music book he says something like, he will not add a note in the chord symbol, if it's already stated in the melody. For example if the melody has a B note, a chord symbol "Am7" is enough, and he won't write "Am9" there. So it's up to the reader's subjective judgement to understand if a written melody note is an essential part of the song's harmony idea, or not :) Chord symbols are not a theory-hygienic harmony specification. They're more like accompaniment hints.
– piiperi
19 hours ago
@piiperi - Mark Levine's Jazz Theory book is full of the opposite!
– Tim
19 hours ago
1
Maybe the problem is that people don't read the forewords and assume that there's one universally "correct" interpretation for everything. And they don't know the culture around these written artifacts. :) I.e. what do people actually do with these things... Nowadays, when everything and everyone is becoming partly machine, music is assumed to be a coded list of mechanical "press these buttons at these instants" instructions. ;) Here's a cool thing that's written as just "E7" in the lead sheet youtube.com/watch?v=nO_xkm9s3rU&t=66s
– piiperi
17 hours ago
@piiperi - 'Laura' is similar to what Chick said. Some of the melody parts are m9, but the chords are simple m or m7. Although, put together, it makes m9...
– Tim
17 hours ago
add a comment |
2
Good answer. There are many interpretations as to what chord symbols mean. In the foreword of Chick Corea's "Paint the World" sheet music book he says something like, he will not add a note in the chord symbol, if it's already stated in the melody. For example if the melody has a B note, a chord symbol "Am7" is enough, and he won't write "Am9" there. So it's up to the reader's subjective judgement to understand if a written melody note is an essential part of the song's harmony idea, or not :) Chord symbols are not a theory-hygienic harmony specification. They're more like accompaniment hints.
– piiperi
19 hours ago
@piiperi - Mark Levine's Jazz Theory book is full of the opposite!
– Tim
19 hours ago
1
Maybe the problem is that people don't read the forewords and assume that there's one universally "correct" interpretation for everything. And they don't know the culture around these written artifacts. :) I.e. what do people actually do with these things... Nowadays, when everything and everyone is becoming partly machine, music is assumed to be a coded list of mechanical "press these buttons at these instants" instructions. ;) Here's a cool thing that's written as just "E7" in the lead sheet youtube.com/watch?v=nO_xkm9s3rU&t=66s
– piiperi
17 hours ago
@piiperi - 'Laura' is similar to what Chick said. Some of the melody parts are m9, but the chords are simple m or m7. Although, put together, it makes m9...
– Tim
17 hours ago
2
2
Good answer. There are many interpretations as to what chord symbols mean. In the foreword of Chick Corea's "Paint the World" sheet music book he says something like, he will not add a note in the chord symbol, if it's already stated in the melody. For example if the melody has a B note, a chord symbol "Am7" is enough, and he won't write "Am9" there. So it's up to the reader's subjective judgement to understand if a written melody note is an essential part of the song's harmony idea, or not :) Chord symbols are not a theory-hygienic harmony specification. They're more like accompaniment hints.
– piiperi
19 hours ago
Good answer. There are many interpretations as to what chord symbols mean. In the foreword of Chick Corea's "Paint the World" sheet music book he says something like, he will not add a note in the chord symbol, if it's already stated in the melody. For example if the melody has a B note, a chord symbol "Am7" is enough, and he won't write "Am9" there. So it's up to the reader's subjective judgement to understand if a written melody note is an essential part of the song's harmony idea, or not :) Chord symbols are not a theory-hygienic harmony specification. They're more like accompaniment hints.
– piiperi
19 hours ago
@piiperi - Mark Levine's Jazz Theory book is full of the opposite!
– Tim
19 hours ago
@piiperi - Mark Levine's Jazz Theory book is full of the opposite!
– Tim
19 hours ago
1
1
Maybe the problem is that people don't read the forewords and assume that there's one universally "correct" interpretation for everything. And they don't know the culture around these written artifacts. :) I.e. what do people actually do with these things... Nowadays, when everything and everyone is becoming partly machine, music is assumed to be a coded list of mechanical "press these buttons at these instants" instructions. ;) Here's a cool thing that's written as just "E7" in the lead sheet youtube.com/watch?v=nO_xkm9s3rU&t=66s
– piiperi
17 hours ago
Maybe the problem is that people don't read the forewords and assume that there's one universally "correct" interpretation for everything. And they don't know the culture around these written artifacts. :) I.e. what do people actually do with these things... Nowadays, when everything and everyone is becoming partly machine, music is assumed to be a coded list of mechanical "press these buttons at these instants" instructions. ;) Here's a cool thing that's written as just "E7" in the lead sheet youtube.com/watch?v=nO_xkm9s3rU&t=66s
– piiperi
17 hours ago
@piiperi - 'Laura' is similar to what Chick said. Some of the melody parts are m9, but the chords are simple m or m7. Although, put together, it makes m9...
– Tim
17 hours ago
@piiperi - 'Laura' is similar to what Chick said. Some of the melody parts are m9, but the chords are simple m or m7. Although, put together, it makes m9...
– Tim
17 hours ago
add a comment |
In general, not every note needs to be considered part of the harmony. You can have notes outside of a chord or key be utilized. Both of these notes are examples of non harmonic tones.
The G♭ is a chromatic passing tone. It is sandwiched between the G and F which are both chord tones. The E is also most likely another non harmonic tone, what it is exactly depends on what comes next. It could be another chromatic passing tone if the next note is an E♭, it could just as easily be an anticipation of what is next especially if you are in the key of A minor or C major which the lack of accidentals in the key signature.
add a comment |
In general, not every note needs to be considered part of the harmony. You can have notes outside of a chord or key be utilized. Both of these notes are examples of non harmonic tones.
The G♭ is a chromatic passing tone. It is sandwiched between the G and F which are both chord tones. The E is also most likely another non harmonic tone, what it is exactly depends on what comes next. It could be another chromatic passing tone if the next note is an E♭, it could just as easily be an anticipation of what is next especially if you are in the key of A minor or C major which the lack of accidentals in the key signature.
add a comment |
In general, not every note needs to be considered part of the harmony. You can have notes outside of a chord or key be utilized. Both of these notes are examples of non harmonic tones.
The G♭ is a chromatic passing tone. It is sandwiched between the G and F which are both chord tones. The E is also most likely another non harmonic tone, what it is exactly depends on what comes next. It could be another chromatic passing tone if the next note is an E♭, it could just as easily be an anticipation of what is next especially if you are in the key of A minor or C major which the lack of accidentals in the key signature.
In general, not every note needs to be considered part of the harmony. You can have notes outside of a chord or key be utilized. Both of these notes are examples of non harmonic tones.
The G♭ is a chromatic passing tone. It is sandwiched between the G and F which are both chord tones. The E is also most likely another non harmonic tone, what it is exactly depends on what comes next. It could be another chromatic passing tone if the next note is an E♭, it could just as easily be an anticipation of what is next especially if you are in the key of A minor or C major which the lack of accidentals in the key signature.
answered 22 hours ago
Dom♦Dom
36.4k19105223
36.4k19105223
add a comment |
add a comment |
Although for this particular phrase the easiest explanation is "they're simply passing notes" it's worth noting these particular passing notes are a bit like a magic ingredient in the sound of jazz as they are part of jazz minor scale, almost a classic sound in jazz.
So if you start digging more and analyzing jazz recordings you will come across phrases where the sixth and major seventh over minor chords function as a static tension or a harmonic "color" that doesn't really get resolved.
add a comment |
Although for this particular phrase the easiest explanation is "they're simply passing notes" it's worth noting these particular passing notes are a bit like a magic ingredient in the sound of jazz as they are part of jazz minor scale, almost a classic sound in jazz.
So if you start digging more and analyzing jazz recordings you will come across phrases where the sixth and major seventh over minor chords function as a static tension or a harmonic "color" that doesn't really get resolved.
add a comment |
Although for this particular phrase the easiest explanation is "they're simply passing notes" it's worth noting these particular passing notes are a bit like a magic ingredient in the sound of jazz as they are part of jazz minor scale, almost a classic sound in jazz.
So if you start digging more and analyzing jazz recordings you will come across phrases where the sixth and major seventh over minor chords function as a static tension or a harmonic "color" that doesn't really get resolved.
Although for this particular phrase the easiest explanation is "they're simply passing notes" it's worth noting these particular passing notes are a bit like a magic ingredient in the sound of jazz as they are part of jazz minor scale, almost a classic sound in jazz.
So if you start digging more and analyzing jazz recordings you will come across phrases where the sixth and major seventh over minor chords function as a static tension or a harmonic "color" that doesn't really get resolved.
edited 16 hours ago
answered 19 hours ago
Jarek.DJarek.D
5446
5446
add a comment |
add a comment |
Context is important when trying to understand what the chords are doing, but the Gm7 could be a ii chord, perhaps part of a ii-V7-I progression. The Dorian scale is often used to create phrases over ii chords, and G Dorian includes an E, not an Eb. In fact, the natural sixth degree (the E) is the note that gives Dorian its character.
In this interpretation, the only other note that needs explaining is the Gb. It is, of course, just a chromatic passing note. But more can be said. Bebop players used to add certain chromatic passing notes to smooth out their phrases; this phrase can be seen as constructed from the G Bebop Dorian scale, with a Gb written in place of F#.
In other words, this phrase is typical of what might be played over a ii chord in the Bebop idiom.
add a comment |
Context is important when trying to understand what the chords are doing, but the Gm7 could be a ii chord, perhaps part of a ii-V7-I progression. The Dorian scale is often used to create phrases over ii chords, and G Dorian includes an E, not an Eb. In fact, the natural sixth degree (the E) is the note that gives Dorian its character.
In this interpretation, the only other note that needs explaining is the Gb. It is, of course, just a chromatic passing note. But more can be said. Bebop players used to add certain chromatic passing notes to smooth out their phrases; this phrase can be seen as constructed from the G Bebop Dorian scale, with a Gb written in place of F#.
In other words, this phrase is typical of what might be played over a ii chord in the Bebop idiom.
add a comment |
Context is important when trying to understand what the chords are doing, but the Gm7 could be a ii chord, perhaps part of a ii-V7-I progression. The Dorian scale is often used to create phrases over ii chords, and G Dorian includes an E, not an Eb. In fact, the natural sixth degree (the E) is the note that gives Dorian its character.
In this interpretation, the only other note that needs explaining is the Gb. It is, of course, just a chromatic passing note. But more can be said. Bebop players used to add certain chromatic passing notes to smooth out their phrases; this phrase can be seen as constructed from the G Bebop Dorian scale, with a Gb written in place of F#.
In other words, this phrase is typical of what might be played over a ii chord in the Bebop idiom.
Context is important when trying to understand what the chords are doing, but the Gm7 could be a ii chord, perhaps part of a ii-V7-I progression. The Dorian scale is often used to create phrases over ii chords, and G Dorian includes an E, not an Eb. In fact, the natural sixth degree (the E) is the note that gives Dorian its character.
In this interpretation, the only other note that needs explaining is the Gb. It is, of course, just a chromatic passing note. But more can be said. Bebop players used to add certain chromatic passing notes to smooth out their phrases; this phrase can be seen as constructed from the G Bebop Dorian scale, with a Gb written in place of F#.
In other words, this phrase is typical of what might be played over a ii chord in the Bebop idiom.
answered 16 hours ago
David BowlingDavid Bowling
4,59421336
4,59421336
add a comment |
add a comment |
The technical term is non-chord tones.
The other answers already explain these particular NCT's are unaccented passing tones, but there is a complete nomenclature of NCT from classical music that you should review to see the wide range of possibilities. In homophonic (chord based) music a huge amount of melody can be explain as the interplay of chord tones following the harmony and non-chord tones.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonchord_tone
In jazz there is a special type of NCT called an enclosure which you should also review.
- https://www.jazzadvice.com/how-to-effectively-use-enclosure/
The chord/scale system in jazz is an alternate approach from the classical non-chord tones theory. But some other questions/answers here at StackExchange explain that historically - prior to the chord/scale system - jazz improv was largely arpeggiated chords embellished with non-chord tones. The two systems shouldn't be considered mutually exclusive.
You might want to expand this single question to a general review of the whole topic of non-chord tones. It will deepen your understanding of melody.
add a comment |
The technical term is non-chord tones.
The other answers already explain these particular NCT's are unaccented passing tones, but there is a complete nomenclature of NCT from classical music that you should review to see the wide range of possibilities. In homophonic (chord based) music a huge amount of melody can be explain as the interplay of chord tones following the harmony and non-chord tones.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonchord_tone
In jazz there is a special type of NCT called an enclosure which you should also review.
- https://www.jazzadvice.com/how-to-effectively-use-enclosure/
The chord/scale system in jazz is an alternate approach from the classical non-chord tones theory. But some other questions/answers here at StackExchange explain that historically - prior to the chord/scale system - jazz improv was largely arpeggiated chords embellished with non-chord tones. The two systems shouldn't be considered mutually exclusive.
You might want to expand this single question to a general review of the whole topic of non-chord tones. It will deepen your understanding of melody.
add a comment |
The technical term is non-chord tones.
The other answers already explain these particular NCT's are unaccented passing tones, but there is a complete nomenclature of NCT from classical music that you should review to see the wide range of possibilities. In homophonic (chord based) music a huge amount of melody can be explain as the interplay of chord tones following the harmony and non-chord tones.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonchord_tone
In jazz there is a special type of NCT called an enclosure which you should also review.
- https://www.jazzadvice.com/how-to-effectively-use-enclosure/
The chord/scale system in jazz is an alternate approach from the classical non-chord tones theory. But some other questions/answers here at StackExchange explain that historically - prior to the chord/scale system - jazz improv was largely arpeggiated chords embellished with non-chord tones. The two systems shouldn't be considered mutually exclusive.
You might want to expand this single question to a general review of the whole topic of non-chord tones. It will deepen your understanding of melody.
The technical term is non-chord tones.
The other answers already explain these particular NCT's are unaccented passing tones, but there is a complete nomenclature of NCT from classical music that you should review to see the wide range of possibilities. In homophonic (chord based) music a huge amount of melody can be explain as the interplay of chord tones following the harmony and non-chord tones.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonchord_tone
In jazz there is a special type of NCT called an enclosure which you should also review.
- https://www.jazzadvice.com/how-to-effectively-use-enclosure/
The chord/scale system in jazz is an alternate approach from the classical non-chord tones theory. But some other questions/answers here at StackExchange explain that historically - prior to the chord/scale system - jazz improv was largely arpeggiated chords embellished with non-chord tones. The two systems shouldn't be considered mutually exclusive.
You might want to expand this single question to a general review of the whole topic of non-chord tones. It will deepen your understanding of melody.
answered 14 hours ago
Michael CurtisMichael Curtis
8,730533
8,730533
add a comment |
add a comment |
Thanks for contributing an answer to Music: Practice & Theory Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmusic.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f80723%2fnotes-in-a-lick-that-dont-fit-in-the-scale-associated-with-the-chord%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
2
What do you think that Gm7 means? (Hint: it's not the key)
– The Chaz 2.0
22 hours ago