Slightly confused about whether printf in the yash shell is a built-in command or not












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The yash shell has a printf built-in, according to its manual.



However, this is what I see in a yash shell with default configuration:



kk@eeyore ~ $ command -v printf
/usr/bin/printf
kk@eeyore ~ $ type printf
printf: a regular built-in at /usr/bin/printf


Is printf a built-in in this shell or not? The result is similar for a number of other supposedly built-in utilities that are also available as external commands.



As a comparison, in pdksh (ksh on OpenBSD, where printf is not a built-in):



$ command -v printf
/usr/bin/printf
$ type printf
printf is /usr/bin/printf


And in bash (where printf is a built-in):



$ command -v printf
printf
$ type printf
printf is a shell builtin









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    It's a built-in -- a regular, not a special built-in. If you're confused about the difference between special and regular built-ins, or behavior mandated by the standard (see command search and execution 1.e.i.a) -- which requires that a binary should exist in PATH in order for a regular built-in to be executed -- then please make your question about that.

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    @mosvy This was a detail of the standard that was unknown to me. If you want to turn that into an answer, I'd be happy. I don't think I would need to update the question for this to be an appropriate answer, as I was unaware of this particular detail. Or I'll write it myself later.

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The yash shell has a printf built-in, according to its manual.



However, this is what I see in a yash shell with default configuration:



kk@eeyore ~ $ command -v printf
/usr/bin/printf
kk@eeyore ~ $ type printf
printf: a regular built-in at /usr/bin/printf


Is printf a built-in in this shell or not? The result is similar for a number of other supposedly built-in utilities that are also available as external commands.



As a comparison, in pdksh (ksh on OpenBSD, where printf is not a built-in):



$ command -v printf
/usr/bin/printf
$ type printf
printf is /usr/bin/printf


And in bash (where printf is a built-in):



$ command -v printf
printf
$ type printf
printf is a shell builtin









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    It's a built-in -- a regular, not a special built-in. If you're confused about the difference between special and regular built-ins, or behavior mandated by the standard (see command search and execution 1.e.i.a) -- which requires that a binary should exist in PATH in order for a regular built-in to be executed -- then please make your question about that.

    – mosvy
    2 hours ago






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    @mosvy This was a detail of the standard that was unknown to me. If you want to turn that into an answer, I'd be happy. I don't think I would need to update the question for this to be an appropriate answer, as I was unaware of this particular detail. Or I'll write it myself later.

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    2 hours ago
















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The yash shell has a printf built-in, according to its manual.



However, this is what I see in a yash shell with default configuration:



kk@eeyore ~ $ command -v printf
/usr/bin/printf
kk@eeyore ~ $ type printf
printf: a regular built-in at /usr/bin/printf


Is printf a built-in in this shell or not? The result is similar for a number of other supposedly built-in utilities that are also available as external commands.



As a comparison, in pdksh (ksh on OpenBSD, where printf is not a built-in):



$ command -v printf
/usr/bin/printf
$ type printf
printf is /usr/bin/printf


And in bash (where printf is a built-in):



$ command -v printf
printf
$ type printf
printf is a shell builtin









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The yash shell has a printf built-in, according to its manual.



However, this is what I see in a yash shell with default configuration:



kk@eeyore ~ $ command -v printf
/usr/bin/printf
kk@eeyore ~ $ type printf
printf: a regular built-in at /usr/bin/printf


Is printf a built-in in this shell or not? The result is similar for a number of other supposedly built-in utilities that are also available as external commands.



As a comparison, in pdksh (ksh on OpenBSD, where printf is not a built-in):



$ command -v printf
/usr/bin/printf
$ type printf
printf is /usr/bin/printf


And in bash (where printf is a built-in):



$ command -v printf
printf
$ type printf
printf is a shell builtin






posix printf shell-builtin yash






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    It's a built-in -- a regular, not a special built-in. If you're confused about the difference between special and regular built-ins, or behavior mandated by the standard (see command search and execution 1.e.i.a) -- which requires that a binary should exist in PATH in order for a regular built-in to be executed -- then please make your question about that.

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    2 hours ago






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    @mosvy This was a detail of the standard that was unknown to me. If you want to turn that into an answer, I'd be happy. I don't think I would need to update the question for this to be an appropriate answer, as I was unaware of this particular detail. Or I'll write it myself later.

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    It's a built-in -- a regular, not a special built-in. If you're confused about the difference between special and regular built-ins, or behavior mandated by the standard (see command search and execution 1.e.i.a) -- which requires that a binary should exist in PATH in order for a regular built-in to be executed -- then please make your question about that.

    – mosvy
    2 hours ago






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    @mosvy This was a detail of the standard that was unknown to me. If you want to turn that into an answer, I'd be happy. I don't think I would need to update the question for this to be an appropriate answer, as I was unaware of this particular detail. Or I'll write it myself later.

    – Kusalananda
    2 hours ago










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It's a built-in -- a regular, not a special built-in. If you're confused about the difference between special and regular built-ins, or behavior mandated by the standard (see command search and execution 1.e.i.a) -- which requires that a binary should exist in PATH in order for a regular built-in to be executed -- then please make your question about that.

– mosvy
2 hours ago





It's a built-in -- a regular, not a special built-in. If you're confused about the difference between special and regular built-ins, or behavior mandated by the standard (see command search and execution 1.e.i.a) -- which requires that a binary should exist in PATH in order for a regular built-in to be executed -- then please make your question about that.

– mosvy
2 hours ago




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@mosvy This was a detail of the standard that was unknown to me. If you want to turn that into an answer, I'd be happy. I don't think I would need to update the question for this to be an appropriate answer, as I was unaware of this particular detail. Or I'll write it myself later.

– Kusalananda
2 hours ago







@mosvy This was a detail of the standard that was unknown to me. If you want to turn that into an answer, I'd be happy. I don't think I would need to update the question for this to be an appropriate answer, as I was unaware of this particular detail. Or I'll write it myself later.

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The yash shell does have, and does use, a built-in version of printf (and other utilities). It just happens to be very pedantically POSIX compliant in the way it formulates the result of the command -v and type commands.



As mosvy comments, the POSIX standard requires that a regular built-in command be available as an external command for the built-in version of the command to be executed.



This is the relevant text from the standard:




If a simple command results in a command name and an optional list of arguments, the following actions shall be performed:





  1. If the command name does not contain any <slash> characters, the first successful step in the following sequence shall occur:



    a. [...b, c, d... (these handle special built-ins, two sets of listed utilities (some of which yash refers to as "semi-special built-ins"), and shell functions]



    e. Otherwise, the command shall be searched for using the PATH environment variable [...]



    i. If the search is successful:
    a. If the system has implemented the utility as a regular built-in or as a shell function, it shall be invoked at this point in the path search. [...]



    [...]



    ii. If the search is unsuccessful, the command shall fail with an exit status of 127 and the shell shall write an error message.






This means that the output of command -v printf signifies that the printf command was found in the search path, while the output of type printf adds to this that the command is a regular built-in.



Since the printf command was found in the search path, and since it's a regular built-in in the shell, yash will call its built-in version of the command. If the printf was not found in the path, and if the yash shell was running in POSIX-ly correct mode, an error would have been generated instead.



yash prides itself on being a very POSIX compliant shell, and this is also true if we look at what POSIX says about command -v:




-v



Write a string to standard output that indicates the pathname or command that will be used by the shell, in the current shell execution environment (see Shell Execution Environment), to invoke command_name, but do not invoke command_name.




  • Utilities, regular built-in utilities, command_names including a <slash> character, and any implementation-defined functions that are found using the PATH variable (as described in Command Search and Execution), shall be written as absolute pathnames.







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    The Watanabe shell has three sorts of built-ins, described in detail in its manual. All of the built-in commands are also listed there, but one has to infer that something is a "regular" built-in command from the absence of any note saying that the command is a "special" or a "semi-special" built-in. Regular built-ins are unmarked.



    printf is one such "regular" built-in. In native mode it is always invoked, irrespective of whether there is an external command found by that name.




    $ PATH=/usr/bin
    $ printf
    printf: this command requires an operand
    $ type printf
    printf: a regular built-in at /usr/bin/printf
    $
    $ PATH=/
    $ printf
    printf: this command requires an operand
    $ type printf
    printf: a regular built-in (not found in $PATH)
    $


    But when the posixly-correct shell option is set it is only a built-in if the external command can be found on the PATH.




    $ set --posixly-correct
    $
    $ PATH=/usr/bin
    $ printf
    printf: this command requires an operand
    $
    $ PATH=/
    $ printf
    yash: no such command `printf'
    $


    This is actually conformant to what the Single Unix Specifiation says, and has said since at least 1997.



    It differs from the Z shell, the 93 Korn shell, the Bourne Again shell, and the Debian Almquist shell, none of which either implement or document such behaviour for regular built-ins. The Z shell, for example, documents that regular built-ins are always found, before the step that searches PATH. So too does the Debian Almquist shell. And that's what these shells all do, even if invoked as sh with their turn-on-POSIX options.




    % /bin/exec -a sh zsh -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
    printf is a shell builtin
    zsh:printf:1: not enough arguments
    % /bin/exec -a sh ksh93 -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
    printf is a shell builtin
    Usage: printf [ options ] format [string ...]
    % /bin/exec -a sh bash --posix -c "PATH=/ type printf ; printf"
    printf is a shell builtin
    printf: usage: printf [-v var] format [arguments]
    % /bin/exec -a sh dash -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
    printf is a shell builtin
    sh: 1: printf: usage: printf format [arg ...]
    %


    However, not running printf when it is not on the PATH is the behaviour of the PD Korn shell, the Heirloom Bourne shell, and the MirBSD Korn shell; because they do not have a printf built-in in the first place. ☺




    % /bin/exec -a sh `command -v ksh` -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
    printf not found
    sh: printf: not found
    % /bin/exec -a sh `command -v oksh` -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
    printf not found
    sh: printf: not found
    % /bin/exec -a sh `command -v jsh` -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
    printf not found
    sh: printf: not found
    % /bin/exec -a sh mksh -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
    printf not found
    sh: printf: not found
    % ksh -c "type printf ; printf"
    printf is a tracked alias for /usr/bin/printf
    usage: printf format [arguments ...]
    % oksh -c "type printf ; printf"
    printf is a tracked alias for /usr/bin/printf
    usage: printf format [arguments ...]
    % jsh -c "type printf ; printf"
    printf is hashed (/usr/bin/printf)
    usage: printf format [arguments ...]
    % mksh -c "type printf ; printf"
    printf is a tracked alias for /usr/bin/printf
    usage: printf format [arguments ...]
    $





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    It seems to me like a yash mistake.



    There are some built-ins that do not exist in the PATH (depending on the OS system):



    a='dirs disown hash help history popd pushd suspend type typeset ulimit'
    for b in $a; do type "$b"; done


    Will print something like:



    pushd: a regular built-in (not found in $PATH)


    Which is a clear description: It is a builtin but there is no executable with the same name in the PATH.



    However, this list (again, change with the OS system):



    a='[ echo printf test'
    for b in $a; do type "$b"; done


    Will print lines like:



    echo: a regular built-in at /bin/echo


    Which, IMO, is a misleading description. Changing at to also found in PATH at:



    echo: a regular built-in also found in PATH at /bin/echo


    would be a better description.






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      The yash shell does have, and does use, a built-in version of printf (and other utilities). It just happens to be very pedantically POSIX compliant in the way it formulates the result of the command -v and type commands.



      As mosvy comments, the POSIX standard requires that a regular built-in command be available as an external command for the built-in version of the command to be executed.



      This is the relevant text from the standard:




      If a simple command results in a command name and an optional list of arguments, the following actions shall be performed:





      1. If the command name does not contain any <slash> characters, the first successful step in the following sequence shall occur:



        a. [...b, c, d... (these handle special built-ins, two sets of listed utilities (some of which yash refers to as "semi-special built-ins"), and shell functions]



        e. Otherwise, the command shall be searched for using the PATH environment variable [...]



        i. If the search is successful:
        a. If the system has implemented the utility as a regular built-in or as a shell function, it shall be invoked at this point in the path search. [...]



        [...]



        ii. If the search is unsuccessful, the command shall fail with an exit status of 127 and the shell shall write an error message.






      This means that the output of command -v printf signifies that the printf command was found in the search path, while the output of type printf adds to this that the command is a regular built-in.



      Since the printf command was found in the search path, and since it's a regular built-in in the shell, yash will call its built-in version of the command. If the printf was not found in the path, and if the yash shell was running in POSIX-ly correct mode, an error would have been generated instead.



      yash prides itself on being a very POSIX compliant shell, and this is also true if we look at what POSIX says about command -v:




      -v



      Write a string to standard output that indicates the pathname or command that will be used by the shell, in the current shell execution environment (see Shell Execution Environment), to invoke command_name, but do not invoke command_name.




      • Utilities, regular built-in utilities, command_names including a <slash> character, and any implementation-defined functions that are found using the PATH variable (as described in Command Search and Execution), shall be written as absolute pathnames.







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        The yash shell does have, and does use, a built-in version of printf (and other utilities). It just happens to be very pedantically POSIX compliant in the way it formulates the result of the command -v and type commands.



        As mosvy comments, the POSIX standard requires that a regular built-in command be available as an external command for the built-in version of the command to be executed.



        This is the relevant text from the standard:




        If a simple command results in a command name and an optional list of arguments, the following actions shall be performed:





        1. If the command name does not contain any <slash> characters, the first successful step in the following sequence shall occur:



          a. [...b, c, d... (these handle special built-ins, two sets of listed utilities (some of which yash refers to as "semi-special built-ins"), and shell functions]



          e. Otherwise, the command shall be searched for using the PATH environment variable [...]



          i. If the search is successful:
          a. If the system has implemented the utility as a regular built-in or as a shell function, it shall be invoked at this point in the path search. [...]



          [...]



          ii. If the search is unsuccessful, the command shall fail with an exit status of 127 and the shell shall write an error message.






        This means that the output of command -v printf signifies that the printf command was found in the search path, while the output of type printf adds to this that the command is a regular built-in.



        Since the printf command was found in the search path, and since it's a regular built-in in the shell, yash will call its built-in version of the command. If the printf was not found in the path, and if the yash shell was running in POSIX-ly correct mode, an error would have been generated instead.



        yash prides itself on being a very POSIX compliant shell, and this is also true if we look at what POSIX says about command -v:




        -v



        Write a string to standard output that indicates the pathname or command that will be used by the shell, in the current shell execution environment (see Shell Execution Environment), to invoke command_name, but do not invoke command_name.




        • Utilities, regular built-in utilities, command_names including a <slash> character, and any implementation-defined functions that are found using the PATH variable (as described in Command Search and Execution), shall be written as absolute pathnames.







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          The yash shell does have, and does use, a built-in version of printf (and other utilities). It just happens to be very pedantically POSIX compliant in the way it formulates the result of the command -v and type commands.



          As mosvy comments, the POSIX standard requires that a regular built-in command be available as an external command for the built-in version of the command to be executed.



          This is the relevant text from the standard:




          If a simple command results in a command name and an optional list of arguments, the following actions shall be performed:





          1. If the command name does not contain any <slash> characters, the first successful step in the following sequence shall occur:



            a. [...b, c, d... (these handle special built-ins, two sets of listed utilities (some of which yash refers to as "semi-special built-ins"), and shell functions]



            e. Otherwise, the command shall be searched for using the PATH environment variable [...]



            i. If the search is successful:
            a. If the system has implemented the utility as a regular built-in or as a shell function, it shall be invoked at this point in the path search. [...]



            [...]



            ii. If the search is unsuccessful, the command shall fail with an exit status of 127 and the shell shall write an error message.






          This means that the output of command -v printf signifies that the printf command was found in the search path, while the output of type printf adds to this that the command is a regular built-in.



          Since the printf command was found in the search path, and since it's a regular built-in in the shell, yash will call its built-in version of the command. If the printf was not found in the path, and if the yash shell was running in POSIX-ly correct mode, an error would have been generated instead.



          yash prides itself on being a very POSIX compliant shell, and this is also true if we look at what POSIX says about command -v:




          -v



          Write a string to standard output that indicates the pathname or command that will be used by the shell, in the current shell execution environment (see Shell Execution Environment), to invoke command_name, but do not invoke command_name.




          • Utilities, regular built-in utilities, command_names including a <slash> character, and any implementation-defined functions that are found using the PATH variable (as described in Command Search and Execution), shall be written as absolute pathnames.







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          The yash shell does have, and does use, a built-in version of printf (and other utilities). It just happens to be very pedantically POSIX compliant in the way it formulates the result of the command -v and type commands.



          As mosvy comments, the POSIX standard requires that a regular built-in command be available as an external command for the built-in version of the command to be executed.



          This is the relevant text from the standard:




          If a simple command results in a command name and an optional list of arguments, the following actions shall be performed:





          1. If the command name does not contain any <slash> characters, the first successful step in the following sequence shall occur:



            a. [...b, c, d... (these handle special built-ins, two sets of listed utilities (some of which yash refers to as "semi-special built-ins"), and shell functions]



            e. Otherwise, the command shall be searched for using the PATH environment variable [...]



            i. If the search is successful:
            a. If the system has implemented the utility as a regular built-in or as a shell function, it shall be invoked at this point in the path search. [...]



            [...]



            ii. If the search is unsuccessful, the command shall fail with an exit status of 127 and the shell shall write an error message.






          This means that the output of command -v printf signifies that the printf command was found in the search path, while the output of type printf adds to this that the command is a regular built-in.



          Since the printf command was found in the search path, and since it's a regular built-in in the shell, yash will call its built-in version of the command. If the printf was not found in the path, and if the yash shell was running in POSIX-ly correct mode, an error would have been generated instead.



          yash prides itself on being a very POSIX compliant shell, and this is also true if we look at what POSIX says about command -v:




          -v



          Write a string to standard output that indicates the pathname or command that will be used by the shell, in the current shell execution environment (see Shell Execution Environment), to invoke command_name, but do not invoke command_name.




          • Utilities, regular built-in utilities, command_names including a <slash> character, and any implementation-defined functions that are found using the PATH variable (as described in Command Search and Execution), shall be written as absolute pathnames.








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              The Watanabe shell has three sorts of built-ins, described in detail in its manual. All of the built-in commands are also listed there, but one has to infer that something is a "regular" built-in command from the absence of any note saying that the command is a "special" or a "semi-special" built-in. Regular built-ins are unmarked.



              printf is one such "regular" built-in. In native mode it is always invoked, irrespective of whether there is an external command found by that name.




              $ PATH=/usr/bin
              $ printf
              printf: this command requires an operand
              $ type printf
              printf: a regular built-in at /usr/bin/printf
              $
              $ PATH=/
              $ printf
              printf: this command requires an operand
              $ type printf
              printf: a regular built-in (not found in $PATH)
              $


              But when the posixly-correct shell option is set it is only a built-in if the external command can be found on the PATH.




              $ set --posixly-correct
              $
              $ PATH=/usr/bin
              $ printf
              printf: this command requires an operand
              $
              $ PATH=/
              $ printf
              yash: no such command `printf'
              $


              This is actually conformant to what the Single Unix Specifiation says, and has said since at least 1997.



              It differs from the Z shell, the 93 Korn shell, the Bourne Again shell, and the Debian Almquist shell, none of which either implement or document such behaviour for regular built-ins. The Z shell, for example, documents that regular built-ins are always found, before the step that searches PATH. So too does the Debian Almquist shell. And that's what these shells all do, even if invoked as sh with their turn-on-POSIX options.




              % /bin/exec -a sh zsh -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf is a shell builtin
              zsh:printf:1: not enough arguments
              % /bin/exec -a sh ksh93 -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf is a shell builtin
              Usage: printf [ options ] format [string ...]
              % /bin/exec -a sh bash --posix -c "PATH=/ type printf ; printf"
              printf is a shell builtin
              printf: usage: printf [-v var] format [arguments]
              % /bin/exec -a sh dash -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf is a shell builtin
              sh: 1: printf: usage: printf format [arg ...]
              %


              However, not running printf when it is not on the PATH is the behaviour of the PD Korn shell, the Heirloom Bourne shell, and the MirBSD Korn shell; because they do not have a printf built-in in the first place. ☺




              % /bin/exec -a sh `command -v ksh` -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf not found
              sh: printf: not found
              % /bin/exec -a sh `command -v oksh` -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf not found
              sh: printf: not found
              % /bin/exec -a sh `command -v jsh` -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf not found
              sh: printf: not found
              % /bin/exec -a sh mksh -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf not found
              sh: printf: not found
              % ksh -c "type printf ; printf"
              printf is a tracked alias for /usr/bin/printf
              usage: printf format [arguments ...]
              % oksh -c "type printf ; printf"
              printf is a tracked alias for /usr/bin/printf
              usage: printf format [arguments ...]
              % jsh -c "type printf ; printf"
              printf is hashed (/usr/bin/printf)
              usage: printf format [arguments ...]
              % mksh -c "type printf ; printf"
              printf is a tracked alias for /usr/bin/printf
              usage: printf format [arguments ...]
              $





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                – Kusalananda
                52 mins ago


















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              The Watanabe shell has three sorts of built-ins, described in detail in its manual. All of the built-in commands are also listed there, but one has to infer that something is a "regular" built-in command from the absence of any note saying that the command is a "special" or a "semi-special" built-in. Regular built-ins are unmarked.



              printf is one such "regular" built-in. In native mode it is always invoked, irrespective of whether there is an external command found by that name.




              $ PATH=/usr/bin
              $ printf
              printf: this command requires an operand
              $ type printf
              printf: a regular built-in at /usr/bin/printf
              $
              $ PATH=/
              $ printf
              printf: this command requires an operand
              $ type printf
              printf: a regular built-in (not found in $PATH)
              $


              But when the posixly-correct shell option is set it is only a built-in if the external command can be found on the PATH.




              $ set --posixly-correct
              $
              $ PATH=/usr/bin
              $ printf
              printf: this command requires an operand
              $
              $ PATH=/
              $ printf
              yash: no such command `printf'
              $


              This is actually conformant to what the Single Unix Specifiation says, and has said since at least 1997.



              It differs from the Z shell, the 93 Korn shell, the Bourne Again shell, and the Debian Almquist shell, none of which either implement or document such behaviour for regular built-ins. The Z shell, for example, documents that regular built-ins are always found, before the step that searches PATH. So too does the Debian Almquist shell. And that's what these shells all do, even if invoked as sh with their turn-on-POSIX options.




              % /bin/exec -a sh zsh -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf is a shell builtin
              zsh:printf:1: not enough arguments
              % /bin/exec -a sh ksh93 -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf is a shell builtin
              Usage: printf [ options ] format [string ...]
              % /bin/exec -a sh bash --posix -c "PATH=/ type printf ; printf"
              printf is a shell builtin
              printf: usage: printf [-v var] format [arguments]
              % /bin/exec -a sh dash -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf is a shell builtin
              sh: 1: printf: usage: printf format [arg ...]
              %


              However, not running printf when it is not on the PATH is the behaviour of the PD Korn shell, the Heirloom Bourne shell, and the MirBSD Korn shell; because they do not have a printf built-in in the first place. ☺




              % /bin/exec -a sh `command -v ksh` -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf not found
              sh: printf: not found
              % /bin/exec -a sh `command -v oksh` -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf not found
              sh: printf: not found
              % /bin/exec -a sh `command -v jsh` -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf not found
              sh: printf: not found
              % /bin/exec -a sh mksh -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf not found
              sh: printf: not found
              % ksh -c "type printf ; printf"
              printf is a tracked alias for /usr/bin/printf
              usage: printf format [arguments ...]
              % oksh -c "type printf ; printf"
              printf is a tracked alias for /usr/bin/printf
              usage: printf format [arguments ...]
              % jsh -c "type printf ; printf"
              printf is hashed (/usr/bin/printf)
              usage: printf format [arguments ...]
              % mksh -c "type printf ; printf"
              printf is a tracked alias for /usr/bin/printf
              usage: printf format [arguments ...]
              $





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                – Kusalananda
                52 mins ago
















              3












              3








              3







              The Watanabe shell has three sorts of built-ins, described in detail in its manual. All of the built-in commands are also listed there, but one has to infer that something is a "regular" built-in command from the absence of any note saying that the command is a "special" or a "semi-special" built-in. Regular built-ins are unmarked.



              printf is one such "regular" built-in. In native mode it is always invoked, irrespective of whether there is an external command found by that name.




              $ PATH=/usr/bin
              $ printf
              printf: this command requires an operand
              $ type printf
              printf: a regular built-in at /usr/bin/printf
              $
              $ PATH=/
              $ printf
              printf: this command requires an operand
              $ type printf
              printf: a regular built-in (not found in $PATH)
              $


              But when the posixly-correct shell option is set it is only a built-in if the external command can be found on the PATH.




              $ set --posixly-correct
              $
              $ PATH=/usr/bin
              $ printf
              printf: this command requires an operand
              $
              $ PATH=/
              $ printf
              yash: no such command `printf'
              $


              This is actually conformant to what the Single Unix Specifiation says, and has said since at least 1997.



              It differs from the Z shell, the 93 Korn shell, the Bourne Again shell, and the Debian Almquist shell, none of which either implement or document such behaviour for regular built-ins. The Z shell, for example, documents that regular built-ins are always found, before the step that searches PATH. So too does the Debian Almquist shell. And that's what these shells all do, even if invoked as sh with their turn-on-POSIX options.




              % /bin/exec -a sh zsh -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf is a shell builtin
              zsh:printf:1: not enough arguments
              % /bin/exec -a sh ksh93 -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf is a shell builtin
              Usage: printf [ options ] format [string ...]
              % /bin/exec -a sh bash --posix -c "PATH=/ type printf ; printf"
              printf is a shell builtin
              printf: usage: printf [-v var] format [arguments]
              % /bin/exec -a sh dash -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf is a shell builtin
              sh: 1: printf: usage: printf format [arg ...]
              %


              However, not running printf when it is not on the PATH is the behaviour of the PD Korn shell, the Heirloom Bourne shell, and the MirBSD Korn shell; because they do not have a printf built-in in the first place. ☺




              % /bin/exec -a sh `command -v ksh` -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf not found
              sh: printf: not found
              % /bin/exec -a sh `command -v oksh` -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf not found
              sh: printf: not found
              % /bin/exec -a sh `command -v jsh` -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf not found
              sh: printf: not found
              % /bin/exec -a sh mksh -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf not found
              sh: printf: not found
              % ksh -c "type printf ; printf"
              printf is a tracked alias for /usr/bin/printf
              usage: printf format [arguments ...]
              % oksh -c "type printf ; printf"
              printf is a tracked alias for /usr/bin/printf
              usage: printf format [arguments ...]
              % jsh -c "type printf ; printf"
              printf is hashed (/usr/bin/printf)
              usage: printf format [arguments ...]
              % mksh -c "type printf ; printf"
              printf is a tracked alias for /usr/bin/printf
              usage: printf format [arguments ...]
              $





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              The Watanabe shell has three sorts of built-ins, described in detail in its manual. All of the built-in commands are also listed there, but one has to infer that something is a "regular" built-in command from the absence of any note saying that the command is a "special" or a "semi-special" built-in. Regular built-ins are unmarked.



              printf is one such "regular" built-in. In native mode it is always invoked, irrespective of whether there is an external command found by that name.




              $ PATH=/usr/bin
              $ printf
              printf: this command requires an operand
              $ type printf
              printf: a regular built-in at /usr/bin/printf
              $
              $ PATH=/
              $ printf
              printf: this command requires an operand
              $ type printf
              printf: a regular built-in (not found in $PATH)
              $


              But when the posixly-correct shell option is set it is only a built-in if the external command can be found on the PATH.




              $ set --posixly-correct
              $
              $ PATH=/usr/bin
              $ printf
              printf: this command requires an operand
              $
              $ PATH=/
              $ printf
              yash: no such command `printf'
              $


              This is actually conformant to what the Single Unix Specifiation says, and has said since at least 1997.



              It differs from the Z shell, the 93 Korn shell, the Bourne Again shell, and the Debian Almquist shell, none of which either implement or document such behaviour for regular built-ins. The Z shell, for example, documents that regular built-ins are always found, before the step that searches PATH. So too does the Debian Almquist shell. And that's what these shells all do, even if invoked as sh with their turn-on-POSIX options.




              % /bin/exec -a sh zsh -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf is a shell builtin
              zsh:printf:1: not enough arguments
              % /bin/exec -a sh ksh93 -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf is a shell builtin
              Usage: printf [ options ] format [string ...]
              % /bin/exec -a sh bash --posix -c "PATH=/ type printf ; printf"
              printf is a shell builtin
              printf: usage: printf [-v var] format [arguments]
              % /bin/exec -a sh dash -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf is a shell builtin
              sh: 1: printf: usage: printf format [arg ...]
              %


              However, not running printf when it is not on the PATH is the behaviour of the PD Korn shell, the Heirloom Bourne shell, and the MirBSD Korn shell; because they do not have a printf built-in in the first place. ☺




              % /bin/exec -a sh `command -v ksh` -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf not found
              sh: printf: not found
              % /bin/exec -a sh `command -v oksh` -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf not found
              sh: printf: not found
              % /bin/exec -a sh `command -v jsh` -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf not found
              sh: printf: not found
              % /bin/exec -a sh mksh -c "PATH=/ ; type printf ; printf"
              printf not found
              sh: printf: not found
              % ksh -c "type printf ; printf"
              printf is a tracked alias for /usr/bin/printf
              usage: printf format [arguments ...]
              % oksh -c "type printf ; printf"
              printf is a tracked alias for /usr/bin/printf
              usage: printf format [arguments ...]
              % jsh -c "type printf ; printf"
              printf is hashed (/usr/bin/printf)
              usage: printf format [arguments ...]
              % mksh -c "type printf ; printf"
              printf is a tracked alias for /usr/bin/printf
              usage: printf format [arguments ...]
              $






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              • Good! Thanks for confirming and for adding the shell-specific bits to my knowledge! I like this shell more already.

                – Kusalananda
                52 mins ago





















              • Good! Thanks for confirming and for adding the shell-specific bits to my knowledge! I like this shell more already.

                – Kusalananda
                52 mins ago



















              Good! Thanks for confirming and for adding the shell-specific bits to my knowledge! I like this shell more already.

              – Kusalananda
              52 mins ago







              Good! Thanks for confirming and for adding the shell-specific bits to my knowledge! I like this shell more already.

              – Kusalananda
              52 mins ago













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              It seems to me like a yash mistake.



              There are some built-ins that do not exist in the PATH (depending on the OS system):



              a='dirs disown hash help history popd pushd suspend type typeset ulimit'
              for b in $a; do type "$b"; done


              Will print something like:



              pushd: a regular built-in (not found in $PATH)


              Which is a clear description: It is a builtin but there is no executable with the same name in the PATH.



              However, this list (again, change with the OS system):



              a='[ echo printf test'
              for b in $a; do type "$b"; done


              Will print lines like:



              echo: a regular built-in at /bin/echo


              Which, IMO, is a misleading description. Changing at to also found in PATH at:



              echo: a regular built-in also found in PATH at /bin/echo


              would be a better description.






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                It seems to me like a yash mistake.



                There are some built-ins that do not exist in the PATH (depending on the OS system):



                a='dirs disown hash help history popd pushd suspend type typeset ulimit'
                for b in $a; do type "$b"; done


                Will print something like:



                pushd: a regular built-in (not found in $PATH)


                Which is a clear description: It is a builtin but there is no executable with the same name in the PATH.



                However, this list (again, change with the OS system):



                a='[ echo printf test'
                for b in $a; do type "$b"; done


                Will print lines like:



                echo: a regular built-in at /bin/echo


                Which, IMO, is a misleading description. Changing at to also found in PATH at:



                echo: a regular built-in also found in PATH at /bin/echo


                would be a better description.






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                  0












                  0








                  0







                  It seems to me like a yash mistake.



                  There are some built-ins that do not exist in the PATH (depending on the OS system):



                  a='dirs disown hash help history popd pushd suspend type typeset ulimit'
                  for b in $a; do type "$b"; done


                  Will print something like:



                  pushd: a regular built-in (not found in $PATH)


                  Which is a clear description: It is a builtin but there is no executable with the same name in the PATH.



                  However, this list (again, change with the OS system):



                  a='[ echo printf test'
                  for b in $a; do type "$b"; done


                  Will print lines like:



                  echo: a regular built-in at /bin/echo


                  Which, IMO, is a misleading description. Changing at to also found in PATH at:



                  echo: a regular built-in also found in PATH at /bin/echo


                  would be a better description.






                  share|improve this answer













                  It seems to me like a yash mistake.



                  There are some built-ins that do not exist in the PATH (depending on the OS system):



                  a='dirs disown hash help history popd pushd suspend type typeset ulimit'
                  for b in $a; do type "$b"; done


                  Will print something like:



                  pushd: a regular built-in (not found in $PATH)


                  Which is a clear description: It is a builtin but there is no executable with the same name in the PATH.



                  However, this list (again, change with the OS system):



                  a='[ echo printf test'
                  for b in $a; do type "$b"; done


                  Will print lines like:



                  echo: a regular built-in at /bin/echo


                  Which, IMO, is a misleading description. Changing at to also found in PATH at:



                  echo: a regular built-in also found in PATH at /bin/echo


                  would be a better description.







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