Why is “The Steerage” hailed “one of the greatest photographs of all time”?
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Steerage:
The Steerage is a photograph taken by Alfred Stieglitz in 1907. It has been hailed as one of the greatest photographs of all time because it captures in a single image both a formative document of its time and one of the first works of artistic modernism.
I just don't get it. It is a document for sure, but why is it so important? I don't have art background so I'm not sure what "artistic modernism" even is ("artistic modernism" image search yields pictures that are very different in style).
I can see how it's a reasonably good photograph, but I have no clue why do people say it's "one of the greatest photographs of all time". I also feel the same when seeing photographs in art galleries. What's the deal? What am I missing?
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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Steerage:
The Steerage is a photograph taken by Alfred Stieglitz in 1907. It has been hailed as one of the greatest photographs of all time because it captures in a single image both a formative document of its time and one of the first works of artistic modernism.
I just don't get it. It is a document for sure, but why is it so important? I don't have art background so I'm not sure what "artistic modernism" even is ("artistic modernism" image search yields pictures that are very different in style).
I can see how it's a reasonably good photograph, but I have no clue why do people say it's "one of the greatest photographs of all time". I also feel the same when seeing photographs in art galleries. What's the deal? What am I missing?
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Like a lot of early works in a field, it's possible for something to be hugely influential and important, and also not as good as subsequent works - fields do improve, after all.
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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Steerage:
The Steerage is a photograph taken by Alfred Stieglitz in 1907. It has been hailed as one of the greatest photographs of all time because it captures in a single image both a formative document of its time and one of the first works of artistic modernism.
I just don't get it. It is a document for sure, but why is it so important? I don't have art background so I'm not sure what "artistic modernism" even is ("artistic modernism" image search yields pictures that are very different in style).
I can see how it's a reasonably good photograph, but I have no clue why do people say it's "one of the greatest photographs of all time". I also feel the same when seeing photographs in art galleries. What's the deal? What am I missing?
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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Steerage:
The Steerage is a photograph taken by Alfred Stieglitz in 1907. It has been hailed as one of the greatest photographs of all time because it captures in a single image both a formative document of its time and one of the first works of artistic modernism.
I just don't get it. It is a document for sure, but why is it so important? I don't have art background so I'm not sure what "artistic modernism" even is ("artistic modernism" image search yields pictures that are very different in style).
I can see how it's a reasonably good photograph, but I have no clue why do people say it's "one of the greatest photographs of all time". I also feel the same when seeing photographs in art galleries. What's the deal? What am I missing?
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Like a lot of early works in a field, it's possible for something to be hugely influential and important, and also not as good as subsequent works - fields do improve, after all.
– pjc50
14 hours ago
add a comment |
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Like a lot of early works in a field, it's possible for something to be hugely influential and important, and also not as good as subsequent works - fields do improve, after all.
– pjc50
14 hours ago
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Like a lot of early works in a field, it's possible for something to be hugely influential and important, and also not as good as subsequent works - fields do improve, after all.
– pjc50
14 hours ago
Like a lot of early works in a field, it's possible for something to be hugely influential and important, and also not as good as subsequent works - fields do improve, after all.
– pjc50
14 hours ago
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Stieglitz and his photo, "The Steerage" are hailed as great not because of its compositional excellence (at least one aspect of the composition is brilliant, and some of the lines in the frame can be seen as a kind of "proto-Cubism"¹) or the technical merits of the photo. "The Steerage" is most significant because it was one of the first times a photograph was used to say something about human society with artistic intent while also presenting the scene as realistically as possible instead of either a) merely documenting it largely without comment or artistic intent or b) modifying it significantly to shape a possible message or artistic intent.
The way Stieglitz captured the photo was starkly different from the way those recognized by the art community as the highest practitioners of photography as art at that time were doing things. Those few artistic photographers who "had something to say" in 1907 typically used the pictorialist style that used various methods to alter the realism of the scene to fit their message. Stieglitz himself was a pictorialist at the time, and only published The Steerage in 1911 over four years after taking the photo as he began moving away from pictorialism.
Rather than attempting to sugar coat things and make them look as romantically appealing as was the case with pictorialism, Stieglitz attempted (and succeeded with The Steerage) to show things as realistically as possible. To make an emotional impact, Stieglitz depended on the viewer seeing the contents of the scene as they were and understanding some of the underlying factors that led to the scene appearing the way it did while at the same time recognizing some of the more abstract artistic elements of the scene and their significance.
The compositional stroke of genius was the way Steiglitz found an angle that placed the empty and immaculate gangway (unused for the entire voyage, according to Stieglitz) leading to first class off camera as an apparently impenetrable barrier between those pictured in steerage on the right and below and those (not pictured) in first class luxury to the left of and behind the camera. The strong geometric lines of the gangway, the mast, the boom, the deck girder, the entrance to the hold, and the steep staircase to the left serve to confine those in steerage. So although the photo itself was an unaltered view of reality, the elements of that reality and the way Steiglitz managed to place them in the frame had great metaphorical and symbolic significance from an artistic point of view.
In art, there are often two different kinds of masterpieces:
- Those that break new ground and create a way of communicating that has never been done before. These are the "first of their kind" types of masterpieces.
- Those that build on the former and reach an absolute pinnacle of a particular style that perfects it in such a way that after which there's nowhere higher for anyone else to go.
It is very rare for the same artist, much less the same work, to do both.
Perhaps the best example that comes to mind is Earl Scruggs' 'three finger style' of playing the banjo that never existed before he developed it, and has never been topped by anyone after him.
In contrast, when Michelangelo sculpted David he achieved the highest expression of Renaissance sculpture that had been developing for centuries and reached all the way back to classical Greek forms for its origins. As Giorgio Vasari said about David, it surpassed "all ancient and modern statues, whether Greek or Latin, that have ever existed." After David, there was nothing left to do but find a different direction in which to go regarding marble sculpture. Thus the development of Mannerism, which favored compositional tension and instability rather than the proportion, balance, and ideal beauty of the High Renaissance.
Stieglitz's The Steerage is the first type. With it he introduced a new way of using photographs that were starkly realistic yet managed, through their carefully composed realism, to say things in a symbolic and metaphorical way using artistic vocabulary. There are far better examples, in terms of composition and technical prowess, of what Stieglitz started with The Steerage. Some of the works of Weston, Adams, and Lange come to mind. But there are not many, if any, earlier examples.
There were others before Stieglitz and The Steerage who used photographs to "tell stories". Jacob Riis², who is perhaps a "grandfather" of modern photojournalism,³ was doing that as early as the 1880s. Mathew Brady, who documented the American Civil War in the early 1860s might be seen as one of the "great grandfathers" of photojournalism. But Brady and Riis had no aspirations for their photos to be seen as "Art".
Stieglitz, on the other hand, started with artistic intent and discovered he could frame a "documentary" photo so that it demonstrated desired artistic elements. Stieglitz' The Steerage was revolutionary in that it was an early form of "Proto-Cubism" at the same time that Picasso was first experimenting with it using more traditional mediums, yet Stieglitz did it via the form of a realistic photo - which had never really been used to create high art before.
¹ After having seen The Steerage, Pablo Picasso himself remarked, "This photographer is working in the same spirit as I am."
² Thanks to user BobT for reminding me of Riis.
³ Whether rightly or not, Henri Cartier-Bresson is held my many as the "father" of modern photojournalism.
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I was going to disagree with you, citing Jacib Riis but 'artistic intent got you off the hook... I wonder if the image was perceived differently in 1911 than it is today. Class differences were an accepted condition then, so to my eye the strength of the image has much to do with shared aspirations despite class differences...
– BobT
yesterday
@BobT Yeah, Riis was never taken seriously by the "high art" community, nor did Riis seen to have any such aspirations. He did photography only to document and support his writings and his entire campaign dedicated to improving the lives of the poor, particularly in New York City. What he "had to say" was put into words more than pictures. He wasn't so much concerned with the aesthetics of his photos as he was with the circumstances. Stieglitz, on the other hand, started with artistic intent and discovered he could frame a "documentary" photo so that it also had desired artistic elements.
– Michael C
20 hours ago
@BobT With regard to the perception of the image in 1911: the image itself argues otherwise. The "Proto-Cubism" compositional elements are used to show that those in steerage (i.e. the lower classes) are trapped there by things beyond their control. Note that every person on both decks in the image are steerage class passengers. The first class passengers would have been behind and to the left of the camera.
– Michael C
16 hours ago
@BobT: Class differences were an accepted condition then It doesn't seem to me that anything has fundamentally changed about perception of class between then and now. This was the era when McKinley was assassinated by anarchists, and the Bolshevik revolution was brewing. Then, as now, most people in the US accepted the existence of extreme differences in wealth.
– Ben Crowell
14 hours ago
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To me, it this picture is a masterpiece because its author basically invented the concept of "telling a story with a photo", while working with a fairly new technology. As (relatively) inexpensive camera were only emerging, (The brownie got out in 1900, and the 35mm film was introduced in 1905), taking this image in 1907 is like creating a great vlog (good production, great pacing, etc.) in 2008 (2 years after Google buys Youtube). It's kind of a big deal... even if by 2019 standards, said vlog is only "ok".
Note : Thanks to BobT for pointing out that the picture itself was taken by a 4x5 on a glass plate negative, not 35mm. I mentioned 35mm in the previous paragraph to emphasise the very recent emergence of popular photography. 35mm was basically the "mirrorless" in 1907 ;-) Many pros must still have been using plate cameras.
This question makes me think about the movie Citizen Kane.
I don't personally like this motion picture, but I can understand how the photography (new angles and patterns), narrative techniques and social commentary are seen as wonders by many experts. Welles INVENTED so many new ways to film and trigger emotions for this movie, that the art itself, moved forward.
To answer your question, I think this picture, in 1907, advanced the art of photography.
After this picture, photography was less technical, and a more concrete art-form.
It seems Stieglitz was an artist that wanted to tell real stories about real people and places... and he liked his medium so much, he, himself became part of the history of photography.
Also, I found this on modernism... thanks for making me check seek it out.
There were many others who used photos to "tell stories" before 1907. Brady and Riis, for example. They just didn't attempt to both create art and tell stories in the same image.
– Michael C
16 hours ago
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Answer is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Steerage
Roughly, a great metaphor, the rich at the top in the fresh air, the poor below, in the darkness.
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Could you please expand your answer a bit?
– Philip Kendall
yesterday
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Everyone in the image is in "steerage". The first class sections of the ship were behind Stieglitz when he captured the frame.
– Michael C
yesterday
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OP linked to the Wiki in their post, is it worth also putting in an answer? I assume (perhaps wrongly) that they read through that before asking here.
– BruceWayne
yesterday
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The top deck on the bow was typically part of the steerage allowed areas (and generally undesirable because of the direct wind and spray). This answer is wrong, it is the same class of people above and below in this photo -- also evidenced by their dress.
– Brock Adams
yesterday
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Stieglitz and his photo, "The Steerage" are hailed as great not because of its compositional excellence (at least one aspect of the composition is brilliant, and some of the lines in the frame can be seen as a kind of "proto-Cubism"¹) or the technical merits of the photo. "The Steerage" is most significant because it was one of the first times a photograph was used to say something about human society with artistic intent while also presenting the scene as realistically as possible instead of either a) merely documenting it largely without comment or artistic intent or b) modifying it significantly to shape a possible message or artistic intent.
The way Stieglitz captured the photo was starkly different from the way those recognized by the art community as the highest practitioners of photography as art at that time were doing things. Those few artistic photographers who "had something to say" in 1907 typically used the pictorialist style that used various methods to alter the realism of the scene to fit their message. Stieglitz himself was a pictorialist at the time, and only published The Steerage in 1911 over four years after taking the photo as he began moving away from pictorialism.
Rather than attempting to sugar coat things and make them look as romantically appealing as was the case with pictorialism, Stieglitz attempted (and succeeded with The Steerage) to show things as realistically as possible. To make an emotional impact, Stieglitz depended on the viewer seeing the contents of the scene as they were and understanding some of the underlying factors that led to the scene appearing the way it did while at the same time recognizing some of the more abstract artistic elements of the scene and their significance.
The compositional stroke of genius was the way Steiglitz found an angle that placed the empty and immaculate gangway (unused for the entire voyage, according to Stieglitz) leading to first class off camera as an apparently impenetrable barrier between those pictured in steerage on the right and below and those (not pictured) in first class luxury to the left of and behind the camera. The strong geometric lines of the gangway, the mast, the boom, the deck girder, the entrance to the hold, and the steep staircase to the left serve to confine those in steerage. So although the photo itself was an unaltered view of reality, the elements of that reality and the way Steiglitz managed to place them in the frame had great metaphorical and symbolic significance from an artistic point of view.
In art, there are often two different kinds of masterpieces:
- Those that break new ground and create a way of communicating that has never been done before. These are the "first of their kind" types of masterpieces.
- Those that build on the former and reach an absolute pinnacle of a particular style that perfects it in such a way that after which there's nowhere higher for anyone else to go.
It is very rare for the same artist, much less the same work, to do both.
Perhaps the best example that comes to mind is Earl Scruggs' 'three finger style' of playing the banjo that never existed before he developed it, and has never been topped by anyone after him.
In contrast, when Michelangelo sculpted David he achieved the highest expression of Renaissance sculpture that had been developing for centuries and reached all the way back to classical Greek forms for its origins. As Giorgio Vasari said about David, it surpassed "all ancient and modern statues, whether Greek or Latin, that have ever existed." After David, there was nothing left to do but find a different direction in which to go regarding marble sculpture. Thus the development of Mannerism, which favored compositional tension and instability rather than the proportion, balance, and ideal beauty of the High Renaissance.
Stieglitz's The Steerage is the first type. With it he introduced a new way of using photographs that were starkly realistic yet managed, through their carefully composed realism, to say things in a symbolic and metaphorical way using artistic vocabulary. There are far better examples, in terms of composition and technical prowess, of what Stieglitz started with The Steerage. Some of the works of Weston, Adams, and Lange come to mind. But there are not many, if any, earlier examples.
There were others before Stieglitz and The Steerage who used photographs to "tell stories". Jacob Riis², who is perhaps a "grandfather" of modern photojournalism,³ was doing that as early as the 1880s. Mathew Brady, who documented the American Civil War in the early 1860s might be seen as one of the "great grandfathers" of photojournalism. But Brady and Riis had no aspirations for their photos to be seen as "Art".
Stieglitz, on the other hand, started with artistic intent and discovered he could frame a "documentary" photo so that it demonstrated desired artistic elements. Stieglitz' The Steerage was revolutionary in that it was an early form of "Proto-Cubism" at the same time that Picasso was first experimenting with it using more traditional mediums, yet Stieglitz did it via the form of a realistic photo - which had never really been used to create high art before.
¹ After having seen The Steerage, Pablo Picasso himself remarked, "This photographer is working in the same spirit as I am."
² Thanks to user BobT for reminding me of Riis.
³ Whether rightly or not, Henri Cartier-Bresson is held my many as the "father" of modern photojournalism.
1
I was going to disagree with you, citing Jacib Riis but 'artistic intent got you off the hook... I wonder if the image was perceived differently in 1911 than it is today. Class differences were an accepted condition then, so to my eye the strength of the image has much to do with shared aspirations despite class differences...
– BobT
yesterday
@BobT Yeah, Riis was never taken seriously by the "high art" community, nor did Riis seen to have any such aspirations. He did photography only to document and support his writings and his entire campaign dedicated to improving the lives of the poor, particularly in New York City. What he "had to say" was put into words more than pictures. He wasn't so much concerned with the aesthetics of his photos as he was with the circumstances. Stieglitz, on the other hand, started with artistic intent and discovered he could frame a "documentary" photo so that it also had desired artistic elements.
– Michael C
20 hours ago
@BobT With regard to the perception of the image in 1911: the image itself argues otherwise. The "Proto-Cubism" compositional elements are used to show that those in steerage (i.e. the lower classes) are trapped there by things beyond their control. Note that every person on both decks in the image are steerage class passengers. The first class passengers would have been behind and to the left of the camera.
– Michael C
16 hours ago
@BobT: Class differences were an accepted condition then It doesn't seem to me that anything has fundamentally changed about perception of class between then and now. This was the era when McKinley was assassinated by anarchists, and the Bolshevik revolution was brewing. Then, as now, most people in the US accepted the existence of extreme differences in wealth.
– Ben Crowell
14 hours ago
add a comment |
Stieglitz and his photo, "The Steerage" are hailed as great not because of its compositional excellence (at least one aspect of the composition is brilliant, and some of the lines in the frame can be seen as a kind of "proto-Cubism"¹) or the technical merits of the photo. "The Steerage" is most significant because it was one of the first times a photograph was used to say something about human society with artistic intent while also presenting the scene as realistically as possible instead of either a) merely documenting it largely without comment or artistic intent or b) modifying it significantly to shape a possible message or artistic intent.
The way Stieglitz captured the photo was starkly different from the way those recognized by the art community as the highest practitioners of photography as art at that time were doing things. Those few artistic photographers who "had something to say" in 1907 typically used the pictorialist style that used various methods to alter the realism of the scene to fit their message. Stieglitz himself was a pictorialist at the time, and only published The Steerage in 1911 over four years after taking the photo as he began moving away from pictorialism.
Rather than attempting to sugar coat things and make them look as romantically appealing as was the case with pictorialism, Stieglitz attempted (and succeeded with The Steerage) to show things as realistically as possible. To make an emotional impact, Stieglitz depended on the viewer seeing the contents of the scene as they were and understanding some of the underlying factors that led to the scene appearing the way it did while at the same time recognizing some of the more abstract artistic elements of the scene and their significance.
The compositional stroke of genius was the way Steiglitz found an angle that placed the empty and immaculate gangway (unused for the entire voyage, according to Stieglitz) leading to first class off camera as an apparently impenetrable barrier between those pictured in steerage on the right and below and those (not pictured) in first class luxury to the left of and behind the camera. The strong geometric lines of the gangway, the mast, the boom, the deck girder, the entrance to the hold, and the steep staircase to the left serve to confine those in steerage. So although the photo itself was an unaltered view of reality, the elements of that reality and the way Steiglitz managed to place them in the frame had great metaphorical and symbolic significance from an artistic point of view.
In art, there are often two different kinds of masterpieces:
- Those that break new ground and create a way of communicating that has never been done before. These are the "first of their kind" types of masterpieces.
- Those that build on the former and reach an absolute pinnacle of a particular style that perfects it in such a way that after which there's nowhere higher for anyone else to go.
It is very rare for the same artist, much less the same work, to do both.
Perhaps the best example that comes to mind is Earl Scruggs' 'three finger style' of playing the banjo that never existed before he developed it, and has never been topped by anyone after him.
In contrast, when Michelangelo sculpted David he achieved the highest expression of Renaissance sculpture that had been developing for centuries and reached all the way back to classical Greek forms for its origins. As Giorgio Vasari said about David, it surpassed "all ancient and modern statues, whether Greek or Latin, that have ever existed." After David, there was nothing left to do but find a different direction in which to go regarding marble sculpture. Thus the development of Mannerism, which favored compositional tension and instability rather than the proportion, balance, and ideal beauty of the High Renaissance.
Stieglitz's The Steerage is the first type. With it he introduced a new way of using photographs that were starkly realistic yet managed, through their carefully composed realism, to say things in a symbolic and metaphorical way using artistic vocabulary. There are far better examples, in terms of composition and technical prowess, of what Stieglitz started with The Steerage. Some of the works of Weston, Adams, and Lange come to mind. But there are not many, if any, earlier examples.
There were others before Stieglitz and The Steerage who used photographs to "tell stories". Jacob Riis², who is perhaps a "grandfather" of modern photojournalism,³ was doing that as early as the 1880s. Mathew Brady, who documented the American Civil War in the early 1860s might be seen as one of the "great grandfathers" of photojournalism. But Brady and Riis had no aspirations for their photos to be seen as "Art".
Stieglitz, on the other hand, started with artistic intent and discovered he could frame a "documentary" photo so that it demonstrated desired artistic elements. Stieglitz' The Steerage was revolutionary in that it was an early form of "Proto-Cubism" at the same time that Picasso was first experimenting with it using more traditional mediums, yet Stieglitz did it via the form of a realistic photo - which had never really been used to create high art before.
¹ After having seen The Steerage, Pablo Picasso himself remarked, "This photographer is working in the same spirit as I am."
² Thanks to user BobT for reminding me of Riis.
³ Whether rightly or not, Henri Cartier-Bresson is held my many as the "father" of modern photojournalism.
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I was going to disagree with you, citing Jacib Riis but 'artistic intent got you off the hook... I wonder if the image was perceived differently in 1911 than it is today. Class differences were an accepted condition then, so to my eye the strength of the image has much to do with shared aspirations despite class differences...
– BobT
yesterday
@BobT Yeah, Riis was never taken seriously by the "high art" community, nor did Riis seen to have any such aspirations. He did photography only to document and support his writings and his entire campaign dedicated to improving the lives of the poor, particularly in New York City. What he "had to say" was put into words more than pictures. He wasn't so much concerned with the aesthetics of his photos as he was with the circumstances. Stieglitz, on the other hand, started with artistic intent and discovered he could frame a "documentary" photo so that it also had desired artistic elements.
– Michael C
20 hours ago
@BobT With regard to the perception of the image in 1911: the image itself argues otherwise. The "Proto-Cubism" compositional elements are used to show that those in steerage (i.e. the lower classes) are trapped there by things beyond their control. Note that every person on both decks in the image are steerage class passengers. The first class passengers would have been behind and to the left of the camera.
– Michael C
16 hours ago
@BobT: Class differences were an accepted condition then It doesn't seem to me that anything has fundamentally changed about perception of class between then and now. This was the era when McKinley was assassinated by anarchists, and the Bolshevik revolution was brewing. Then, as now, most people in the US accepted the existence of extreme differences in wealth.
– Ben Crowell
14 hours ago
add a comment |
Stieglitz and his photo, "The Steerage" are hailed as great not because of its compositional excellence (at least one aspect of the composition is brilliant, and some of the lines in the frame can be seen as a kind of "proto-Cubism"¹) or the technical merits of the photo. "The Steerage" is most significant because it was one of the first times a photograph was used to say something about human society with artistic intent while also presenting the scene as realistically as possible instead of either a) merely documenting it largely without comment or artistic intent or b) modifying it significantly to shape a possible message or artistic intent.
The way Stieglitz captured the photo was starkly different from the way those recognized by the art community as the highest practitioners of photography as art at that time were doing things. Those few artistic photographers who "had something to say" in 1907 typically used the pictorialist style that used various methods to alter the realism of the scene to fit their message. Stieglitz himself was a pictorialist at the time, and only published The Steerage in 1911 over four years after taking the photo as he began moving away from pictorialism.
Rather than attempting to sugar coat things and make them look as romantically appealing as was the case with pictorialism, Stieglitz attempted (and succeeded with The Steerage) to show things as realistically as possible. To make an emotional impact, Stieglitz depended on the viewer seeing the contents of the scene as they were and understanding some of the underlying factors that led to the scene appearing the way it did while at the same time recognizing some of the more abstract artistic elements of the scene and their significance.
The compositional stroke of genius was the way Steiglitz found an angle that placed the empty and immaculate gangway (unused for the entire voyage, according to Stieglitz) leading to first class off camera as an apparently impenetrable barrier between those pictured in steerage on the right and below and those (not pictured) in first class luxury to the left of and behind the camera. The strong geometric lines of the gangway, the mast, the boom, the deck girder, the entrance to the hold, and the steep staircase to the left serve to confine those in steerage. So although the photo itself was an unaltered view of reality, the elements of that reality and the way Steiglitz managed to place them in the frame had great metaphorical and symbolic significance from an artistic point of view.
In art, there are often two different kinds of masterpieces:
- Those that break new ground and create a way of communicating that has never been done before. These are the "first of their kind" types of masterpieces.
- Those that build on the former and reach an absolute pinnacle of a particular style that perfects it in such a way that after which there's nowhere higher for anyone else to go.
It is very rare for the same artist, much less the same work, to do both.
Perhaps the best example that comes to mind is Earl Scruggs' 'three finger style' of playing the banjo that never existed before he developed it, and has never been topped by anyone after him.
In contrast, when Michelangelo sculpted David he achieved the highest expression of Renaissance sculpture that had been developing for centuries and reached all the way back to classical Greek forms for its origins. As Giorgio Vasari said about David, it surpassed "all ancient and modern statues, whether Greek or Latin, that have ever existed." After David, there was nothing left to do but find a different direction in which to go regarding marble sculpture. Thus the development of Mannerism, which favored compositional tension and instability rather than the proportion, balance, and ideal beauty of the High Renaissance.
Stieglitz's The Steerage is the first type. With it he introduced a new way of using photographs that were starkly realistic yet managed, through their carefully composed realism, to say things in a symbolic and metaphorical way using artistic vocabulary. There are far better examples, in terms of composition and technical prowess, of what Stieglitz started with The Steerage. Some of the works of Weston, Adams, and Lange come to mind. But there are not many, if any, earlier examples.
There were others before Stieglitz and The Steerage who used photographs to "tell stories". Jacob Riis², who is perhaps a "grandfather" of modern photojournalism,³ was doing that as early as the 1880s. Mathew Brady, who documented the American Civil War in the early 1860s might be seen as one of the "great grandfathers" of photojournalism. But Brady and Riis had no aspirations for their photos to be seen as "Art".
Stieglitz, on the other hand, started with artistic intent and discovered he could frame a "documentary" photo so that it demonstrated desired artistic elements. Stieglitz' The Steerage was revolutionary in that it was an early form of "Proto-Cubism" at the same time that Picasso was first experimenting with it using more traditional mediums, yet Stieglitz did it via the form of a realistic photo - which had never really been used to create high art before.
¹ After having seen The Steerage, Pablo Picasso himself remarked, "This photographer is working in the same spirit as I am."
² Thanks to user BobT for reminding me of Riis.
³ Whether rightly or not, Henri Cartier-Bresson is held my many as the "father" of modern photojournalism.
Stieglitz and his photo, "The Steerage" are hailed as great not because of its compositional excellence (at least one aspect of the composition is brilliant, and some of the lines in the frame can be seen as a kind of "proto-Cubism"¹) or the technical merits of the photo. "The Steerage" is most significant because it was one of the first times a photograph was used to say something about human society with artistic intent while also presenting the scene as realistically as possible instead of either a) merely documenting it largely without comment or artistic intent or b) modifying it significantly to shape a possible message or artistic intent.
The way Stieglitz captured the photo was starkly different from the way those recognized by the art community as the highest practitioners of photography as art at that time were doing things. Those few artistic photographers who "had something to say" in 1907 typically used the pictorialist style that used various methods to alter the realism of the scene to fit their message. Stieglitz himself was a pictorialist at the time, and only published The Steerage in 1911 over four years after taking the photo as he began moving away from pictorialism.
Rather than attempting to sugar coat things and make them look as romantically appealing as was the case with pictorialism, Stieglitz attempted (and succeeded with The Steerage) to show things as realistically as possible. To make an emotional impact, Stieglitz depended on the viewer seeing the contents of the scene as they were and understanding some of the underlying factors that led to the scene appearing the way it did while at the same time recognizing some of the more abstract artistic elements of the scene and their significance.
The compositional stroke of genius was the way Steiglitz found an angle that placed the empty and immaculate gangway (unused for the entire voyage, according to Stieglitz) leading to first class off camera as an apparently impenetrable barrier between those pictured in steerage on the right and below and those (not pictured) in first class luxury to the left of and behind the camera. The strong geometric lines of the gangway, the mast, the boom, the deck girder, the entrance to the hold, and the steep staircase to the left serve to confine those in steerage. So although the photo itself was an unaltered view of reality, the elements of that reality and the way Steiglitz managed to place them in the frame had great metaphorical and symbolic significance from an artistic point of view.
In art, there are often two different kinds of masterpieces:
- Those that break new ground and create a way of communicating that has never been done before. These are the "first of their kind" types of masterpieces.
- Those that build on the former and reach an absolute pinnacle of a particular style that perfects it in such a way that after which there's nowhere higher for anyone else to go.
It is very rare for the same artist, much less the same work, to do both.
Perhaps the best example that comes to mind is Earl Scruggs' 'three finger style' of playing the banjo that never existed before he developed it, and has never been topped by anyone after him.
In contrast, when Michelangelo sculpted David he achieved the highest expression of Renaissance sculpture that had been developing for centuries and reached all the way back to classical Greek forms for its origins. As Giorgio Vasari said about David, it surpassed "all ancient and modern statues, whether Greek or Latin, that have ever existed." After David, there was nothing left to do but find a different direction in which to go regarding marble sculpture. Thus the development of Mannerism, which favored compositional tension and instability rather than the proportion, balance, and ideal beauty of the High Renaissance.
Stieglitz's The Steerage is the first type. With it he introduced a new way of using photographs that were starkly realistic yet managed, through their carefully composed realism, to say things in a symbolic and metaphorical way using artistic vocabulary. There are far better examples, in terms of composition and technical prowess, of what Stieglitz started with The Steerage. Some of the works of Weston, Adams, and Lange come to mind. But there are not many, if any, earlier examples.
There were others before Stieglitz and The Steerage who used photographs to "tell stories". Jacob Riis², who is perhaps a "grandfather" of modern photojournalism,³ was doing that as early as the 1880s. Mathew Brady, who documented the American Civil War in the early 1860s might be seen as one of the "great grandfathers" of photojournalism. But Brady and Riis had no aspirations for their photos to be seen as "Art".
Stieglitz, on the other hand, started with artistic intent and discovered he could frame a "documentary" photo so that it demonstrated desired artistic elements. Stieglitz' The Steerage was revolutionary in that it was an early form of "Proto-Cubism" at the same time that Picasso was first experimenting with it using more traditional mediums, yet Stieglitz did it via the form of a realistic photo - which had never really been used to create high art before.
¹ After having seen The Steerage, Pablo Picasso himself remarked, "This photographer is working in the same spirit as I am."
² Thanks to user BobT for reminding me of Riis.
³ Whether rightly or not, Henri Cartier-Bresson is held my many as the "father" of modern photojournalism.
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I was going to disagree with you, citing Jacib Riis but 'artistic intent got you off the hook... I wonder if the image was perceived differently in 1911 than it is today. Class differences were an accepted condition then, so to my eye the strength of the image has much to do with shared aspirations despite class differences...
– BobT
yesterday
@BobT Yeah, Riis was never taken seriously by the "high art" community, nor did Riis seen to have any such aspirations. He did photography only to document and support his writings and his entire campaign dedicated to improving the lives of the poor, particularly in New York City. What he "had to say" was put into words more than pictures. He wasn't so much concerned with the aesthetics of his photos as he was with the circumstances. Stieglitz, on the other hand, started with artistic intent and discovered he could frame a "documentary" photo so that it also had desired artistic elements.
– Michael C
20 hours ago
@BobT With regard to the perception of the image in 1911: the image itself argues otherwise. The "Proto-Cubism" compositional elements are used to show that those in steerage (i.e. the lower classes) are trapped there by things beyond their control. Note that every person on both decks in the image are steerage class passengers. The first class passengers would have been behind and to the left of the camera.
– Michael C
16 hours ago
@BobT: Class differences were an accepted condition then It doesn't seem to me that anything has fundamentally changed about perception of class between then and now. This was the era when McKinley was assassinated by anarchists, and the Bolshevik revolution was brewing. Then, as now, most people in the US accepted the existence of extreme differences in wealth.
– Ben Crowell
14 hours ago
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I was going to disagree with you, citing Jacib Riis but 'artistic intent got you off the hook... I wonder if the image was perceived differently in 1911 than it is today. Class differences were an accepted condition then, so to my eye the strength of the image has much to do with shared aspirations despite class differences...
– BobT
yesterday
@BobT Yeah, Riis was never taken seriously by the "high art" community, nor did Riis seen to have any such aspirations. He did photography only to document and support his writings and his entire campaign dedicated to improving the lives of the poor, particularly in New York City. What he "had to say" was put into words more than pictures. He wasn't so much concerned with the aesthetics of his photos as he was with the circumstances. Stieglitz, on the other hand, started with artistic intent and discovered he could frame a "documentary" photo so that it also had desired artistic elements.
– Michael C
20 hours ago
@BobT With regard to the perception of the image in 1911: the image itself argues otherwise. The "Proto-Cubism" compositional elements are used to show that those in steerage (i.e. the lower classes) are trapped there by things beyond their control. Note that every person on both decks in the image are steerage class passengers. The first class passengers would have been behind and to the left of the camera.
– Michael C
16 hours ago
@BobT: Class differences were an accepted condition then It doesn't seem to me that anything has fundamentally changed about perception of class between then and now. This was the era when McKinley was assassinated by anarchists, and the Bolshevik revolution was brewing. Then, as now, most people in the US accepted the existence of extreme differences in wealth.
– Ben Crowell
14 hours ago
1
1
I was going to disagree with you, citing Jacib Riis but 'artistic intent got you off the hook... I wonder if the image was perceived differently in 1911 than it is today. Class differences were an accepted condition then, so to my eye the strength of the image has much to do with shared aspirations despite class differences...
– BobT
yesterday
I was going to disagree with you, citing Jacib Riis but 'artistic intent got you off the hook... I wonder if the image was perceived differently in 1911 than it is today. Class differences were an accepted condition then, so to my eye the strength of the image has much to do with shared aspirations despite class differences...
– BobT
yesterday
@BobT Yeah, Riis was never taken seriously by the "high art" community, nor did Riis seen to have any such aspirations. He did photography only to document and support his writings and his entire campaign dedicated to improving the lives of the poor, particularly in New York City. What he "had to say" was put into words more than pictures. He wasn't so much concerned with the aesthetics of his photos as he was with the circumstances. Stieglitz, on the other hand, started with artistic intent and discovered he could frame a "documentary" photo so that it also had desired artistic elements.
– Michael C
20 hours ago
@BobT Yeah, Riis was never taken seriously by the "high art" community, nor did Riis seen to have any such aspirations. He did photography only to document and support his writings and his entire campaign dedicated to improving the lives of the poor, particularly in New York City. What he "had to say" was put into words more than pictures. He wasn't so much concerned with the aesthetics of his photos as he was with the circumstances. Stieglitz, on the other hand, started with artistic intent and discovered he could frame a "documentary" photo so that it also had desired artistic elements.
– Michael C
20 hours ago
@BobT With regard to the perception of the image in 1911: the image itself argues otherwise. The "Proto-Cubism" compositional elements are used to show that those in steerage (i.e. the lower classes) are trapped there by things beyond their control. Note that every person on both decks in the image are steerage class passengers. The first class passengers would have been behind and to the left of the camera.
– Michael C
16 hours ago
@BobT With regard to the perception of the image in 1911: the image itself argues otherwise. The "Proto-Cubism" compositional elements are used to show that those in steerage (i.e. the lower classes) are trapped there by things beyond their control. Note that every person on both decks in the image are steerage class passengers. The first class passengers would have been behind and to the left of the camera.
– Michael C
16 hours ago
@BobT: Class differences were an accepted condition then It doesn't seem to me that anything has fundamentally changed about perception of class between then and now. This was the era when McKinley was assassinated by anarchists, and the Bolshevik revolution was brewing. Then, as now, most people in the US accepted the existence of extreme differences in wealth.
– Ben Crowell
14 hours ago
@BobT: Class differences were an accepted condition then It doesn't seem to me that anything has fundamentally changed about perception of class between then and now. This was the era when McKinley was assassinated by anarchists, and the Bolshevik revolution was brewing. Then, as now, most people in the US accepted the existence of extreme differences in wealth.
– Ben Crowell
14 hours ago
add a comment |
To me, it this picture is a masterpiece because its author basically invented the concept of "telling a story with a photo", while working with a fairly new technology. As (relatively) inexpensive camera were only emerging, (The brownie got out in 1900, and the 35mm film was introduced in 1905), taking this image in 1907 is like creating a great vlog (good production, great pacing, etc.) in 2008 (2 years after Google buys Youtube). It's kind of a big deal... even if by 2019 standards, said vlog is only "ok".
Note : Thanks to BobT for pointing out that the picture itself was taken by a 4x5 on a glass plate negative, not 35mm. I mentioned 35mm in the previous paragraph to emphasise the very recent emergence of popular photography. 35mm was basically the "mirrorless" in 1907 ;-) Many pros must still have been using plate cameras.
This question makes me think about the movie Citizen Kane.
I don't personally like this motion picture, but I can understand how the photography (new angles and patterns), narrative techniques and social commentary are seen as wonders by many experts. Welles INVENTED so many new ways to film and trigger emotions for this movie, that the art itself, moved forward.
To answer your question, I think this picture, in 1907, advanced the art of photography.
After this picture, photography was less technical, and a more concrete art-form.
It seems Stieglitz was an artist that wanted to tell real stories about real people and places... and he liked his medium so much, he, himself became part of the history of photography.
Also, I found this on modernism... thanks for making me check seek it out.
There were many others who used photos to "tell stories" before 1907. Brady and Riis, for example. They just didn't attempt to both create art and tell stories in the same image.
– Michael C
16 hours ago
add a comment |
To me, it this picture is a masterpiece because its author basically invented the concept of "telling a story with a photo", while working with a fairly new technology. As (relatively) inexpensive camera were only emerging, (The brownie got out in 1900, and the 35mm film was introduced in 1905), taking this image in 1907 is like creating a great vlog (good production, great pacing, etc.) in 2008 (2 years after Google buys Youtube). It's kind of a big deal... even if by 2019 standards, said vlog is only "ok".
Note : Thanks to BobT for pointing out that the picture itself was taken by a 4x5 on a glass plate negative, not 35mm. I mentioned 35mm in the previous paragraph to emphasise the very recent emergence of popular photography. 35mm was basically the "mirrorless" in 1907 ;-) Many pros must still have been using plate cameras.
This question makes me think about the movie Citizen Kane.
I don't personally like this motion picture, but I can understand how the photography (new angles and patterns), narrative techniques and social commentary are seen as wonders by many experts. Welles INVENTED so many new ways to film and trigger emotions for this movie, that the art itself, moved forward.
To answer your question, I think this picture, in 1907, advanced the art of photography.
After this picture, photography was less technical, and a more concrete art-form.
It seems Stieglitz was an artist that wanted to tell real stories about real people and places... and he liked his medium so much, he, himself became part of the history of photography.
Also, I found this on modernism... thanks for making me check seek it out.
There were many others who used photos to "tell stories" before 1907. Brady and Riis, for example. They just didn't attempt to both create art and tell stories in the same image.
– Michael C
16 hours ago
add a comment |
To me, it this picture is a masterpiece because its author basically invented the concept of "telling a story with a photo", while working with a fairly new technology. As (relatively) inexpensive camera were only emerging, (The brownie got out in 1900, and the 35mm film was introduced in 1905), taking this image in 1907 is like creating a great vlog (good production, great pacing, etc.) in 2008 (2 years after Google buys Youtube). It's kind of a big deal... even if by 2019 standards, said vlog is only "ok".
Note : Thanks to BobT for pointing out that the picture itself was taken by a 4x5 on a glass plate negative, not 35mm. I mentioned 35mm in the previous paragraph to emphasise the very recent emergence of popular photography. 35mm was basically the "mirrorless" in 1907 ;-) Many pros must still have been using plate cameras.
This question makes me think about the movie Citizen Kane.
I don't personally like this motion picture, but I can understand how the photography (new angles and patterns), narrative techniques and social commentary are seen as wonders by many experts. Welles INVENTED so many new ways to film and trigger emotions for this movie, that the art itself, moved forward.
To answer your question, I think this picture, in 1907, advanced the art of photography.
After this picture, photography was less technical, and a more concrete art-form.
It seems Stieglitz was an artist that wanted to tell real stories about real people and places... and he liked his medium so much, he, himself became part of the history of photography.
Also, I found this on modernism... thanks for making me check seek it out.
To me, it this picture is a masterpiece because its author basically invented the concept of "telling a story with a photo", while working with a fairly new technology. As (relatively) inexpensive camera were only emerging, (The brownie got out in 1900, and the 35mm film was introduced in 1905), taking this image in 1907 is like creating a great vlog (good production, great pacing, etc.) in 2008 (2 years after Google buys Youtube). It's kind of a big deal... even if by 2019 standards, said vlog is only "ok".
Note : Thanks to BobT for pointing out that the picture itself was taken by a 4x5 on a glass plate negative, not 35mm. I mentioned 35mm in the previous paragraph to emphasise the very recent emergence of popular photography. 35mm was basically the "mirrorless" in 1907 ;-) Many pros must still have been using plate cameras.
This question makes me think about the movie Citizen Kane.
I don't personally like this motion picture, but I can understand how the photography (new angles and patterns), narrative techniques and social commentary are seen as wonders by many experts. Welles INVENTED so many new ways to film and trigger emotions for this movie, that the art itself, moved forward.
To answer your question, I think this picture, in 1907, advanced the art of photography.
After this picture, photography was less technical, and a more concrete art-form.
It seems Stieglitz was an artist that wanted to tell real stories about real people and places... and he liked his medium so much, he, himself became part of the history of photography.
Also, I found this on modernism... thanks for making me check seek it out.
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There were many others who used photos to "tell stories" before 1907. Brady and Riis, for example. They just didn't attempt to both create art and tell stories in the same image.
– Michael C
16 hours ago
add a comment |
There were many others who used photos to "tell stories" before 1907. Brady and Riis, for example. They just didn't attempt to both create art and tell stories in the same image.
– Michael C
16 hours ago
There were many others who used photos to "tell stories" before 1907. Brady and Riis, for example. They just didn't attempt to both create art and tell stories in the same image.
– Michael C
16 hours ago
There were many others who used photos to "tell stories" before 1907. Brady and Riis, for example. They just didn't attempt to both create art and tell stories in the same image.
– Michael C
16 hours ago
add a comment |
Answer is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Steerage
Roughly, a great metaphor, the rich at the top in the fresh air, the poor below, in the darkness.
7
Could you please expand your answer a bit?
– Philip Kendall
yesterday
4
Everyone in the image is in "steerage". The first class sections of the ship were behind Stieglitz when he captured the frame.
– Michael C
yesterday
2
OP linked to the Wiki in their post, is it worth also putting in an answer? I assume (perhaps wrongly) that they read through that before asking here.
– BruceWayne
yesterday
4
The top deck on the bow was typically part of the steerage allowed areas (and generally undesirable because of the direct wind and spray). This answer is wrong, it is the same class of people above and below in this photo -- also evidenced by their dress.
– Brock Adams
yesterday
2
While this link may answer the question, it is better to include the essential parts of the answer here and provide the link for reference. Link-only answers can become invalid if the linked page changes. - From Review
– scottbb
11 hours ago
add a comment |
Answer is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Steerage
Roughly, a great metaphor, the rich at the top in the fresh air, the poor below, in the darkness.
7
Could you please expand your answer a bit?
– Philip Kendall
yesterday
4
Everyone in the image is in "steerage". The first class sections of the ship were behind Stieglitz when he captured the frame.
– Michael C
yesterday
2
OP linked to the Wiki in their post, is it worth also putting in an answer? I assume (perhaps wrongly) that they read through that before asking here.
– BruceWayne
yesterday
4
The top deck on the bow was typically part of the steerage allowed areas (and generally undesirable because of the direct wind and spray). This answer is wrong, it is the same class of people above and below in this photo -- also evidenced by their dress.
– Brock Adams
yesterday
2
While this link may answer the question, it is better to include the essential parts of the answer here and provide the link for reference. Link-only answers can become invalid if the linked page changes. - From Review
– scottbb
11 hours ago
add a comment |
Answer is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Steerage
Roughly, a great metaphor, the rich at the top in the fresh air, the poor below, in the darkness.
Answer is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Steerage
Roughly, a great metaphor, the rich at the top in the fresh air, the poor below, in the darkness.
edited yesterday
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xenoidxenoid
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7
Could you please expand your answer a bit?
– Philip Kendall
yesterday
4
Everyone in the image is in "steerage". The first class sections of the ship were behind Stieglitz when he captured the frame.
– Michael C
yesterday
2
OP linked to the Wiki in their post, is it worth also putting in an answer? I assume (perhaps wrongly) that they read through that before asking here.
– BruceWayne
yesterday
4
The top deck on the bow was typically part of the steerage allowed areas (and generally undesirable because of the direct wind and spray). This answer is wrong, it is the same class of people above and below in this photo -- also evidenced by their dress.
– Brock Adams
yesterday
2
While this link may answer the question, it is better to include the essential parts of the answer here and provide the link for reference. Link-only answers can become invalid if the linked page changes. - From Review
– scottbb
11 hours ago
add a comment |
7
Could you please expand your answer a bit?
– Philip Kendall
yesterday
4
Everyone in the image is in "steerage". The first class sections of the ship were behind Stieglitz when he captured the frame.
– Michael C
yesterday
2
OP linked to the Wiki in their post, is it worth also putting in an answer? I assume (perhaps wrongly) that they read through that before asking here.
– BruceWayne
yesterday
4
The top deck on the bow was typically part of the steerage allowed areas (and generally undesirable because of the direct wind and spray). This answer is wrong, it is the same class of people above and below in this photo -- also evidenced by their dress.
– Brock Adams
yesterday
2
While this link may answer the question, it is better to include the essential parts of the answer here and provide the link for reference. Link-only answers can become invalid if the linked page changes. - From Review
– scottbb
11 hours ago
7
7
Could you please expand your answer a bit?
– Philip Kendall
yesterday
Could you please expand your answer a bit?
– Philip Kendall
yesterday
4
4
Everyone in the image is in "steerage". The first class sections of the ship were behind Stieglitz when he captured the frame.
– Michael C
yesterday
Everyone in the image is in "steerage". The first class sections of the ship were behind Stieglitz when he captured the frame.
– Michael C
yesterday
2
2
OP linked to the Wiki in their post, is it worth also putting in an answer? I assume (perhaps wrongly) that they read through that before asking here.
– BruceWayne
yesterday
OP linked to the Wiki in their post, is it worth also putting in an answer? I assume (perhaps wrongly) that they read through that before asking here.
– BruceWayne
yesterday
4
4
The top deck on the bow was typically part of the steerage allowed areas (and generally undesirable because of the direct wind and spray). This answer is wrong, it is the same class of people above and below in this photo -- also evidenced by their dress.
– Brock Adams
yesterday
The top deck on the bow was typically part of the steerage allowed areas (and generally undesirable because of the direct wind and spray). This answer is wrong, it is the same class of people above and below in this photo -- also evidenced by their dress.
– Brock Adams
yesterday
2
2
While this link may answer the question, it is better to include the essential parts of the answer here and provide the link for reference. Link-only answers can become invalid if the linked page changes. - From Review
– scottbb
11 hours ago
While this link may answer the question, it is better to include the essential parts of the answer here and provide the link for reference. Link-only answers can become invalid if the linked page changes. - From Review
– scottbb
11 hours ago
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